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When will mothers realise that breastfeeding is barbaric?
We are in the year 2015 so I do not understand why the Human race still chooses to particpate in this animalistic and demeaning ritual and subjecting both children and new mothers undue stress.
Do you think we'll ever completely abandon breastfeeding for Formula? Those that tout that breastfeeding helps reinforce mother-newborn bond at that early stage are overreaching as I have never been breastfed yet I have a great relationship with my mother.
There's also something misandrist about the whole thing (or misogynitic) depends on how you look at it on one-hand a woman may be pressured by the father, in-laws or her own mum to breastfeed when she doesn't want to and on the other hand overbearing new mothers may steal precious bonding time from the father who could've done the same job with a warm bottle.
Either way I think society should turn it's back on this barbaric feeding ritual because it has no place in our future.
What do you think? I'll put up a poll.
Do you think we'll ever completely abandon breastfeeding for Formula? Those that tout that breastfeeding helps reinforce mother-newborn bond at that early stage are overreaching as I have never been breastfed yet I have a great relationship with my mother.
There's also something misandrist about the whole thing (or misogynitic) depends on how you look at it on one-hand a woman may be pressured by the father, in-laws or her own mum to breastfeed when she doesn't want to and on the other hand overbearing new mothers may steal precious bonding time from the father who could've done the same job with a warm bottle.
Either way I think society should turn it's back on this barbaric feeding ritual because it has no place in our future.
What do you think? I'll put up a poll.
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Reply 1
The only thing that puts me off breastfeeding is the saggy boobs you get.
Reply 2
LOL this ought to be interesting. I personally don't care if people breastfeed or not.
Reply 3
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Were you breastfed?
Reply 4
I think to class breastfeeding as 'barbaric' is a bit too far... Slavery or rape is barbaric. Not breastfeeding.
Evidence suggests that even just the colostrum (First bit of breast milk produced) can contain important antibodies and other constituents that can have potential benefit to a baby.
That said, mothers should be able to choose what is best for them and their baby. Plenty of purely formula fed babies have equally positive outcomes compared to those who were breastfed. It's down to each individual and no one should be judged either way
Evidence suggests that even just the colostrum (First bit of breast milk produced) can contain important antibodies and other constituents that can have potential benefit to a baby.
That said, mothers should be able to choose what is best for them and their baby. Plenty of purely formula fed babies have equally positive outcomes compared to those who were breastfed. It's down to each individual and no one should be judged either way
Reply 5
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by Colonel AgansuWe are in the year 2015 so I do not understand why the Human race still chooses to particpate in this animalistic and demeaning ritual and subjecting both children and new mothers undue stress.
Do you think we'll ever completely abandon breastfeeding for Formula? Those wackos that tout that breastfeeding helps reinforce mother-newborn bond at that early stage are overreaching as I have never been breastfed yet I have a great relationship with my mother.
There's also something misandrist about the whole thing (or misogynitic) depends on how you look at it on one-hand a woman may be pressured by the father, in-laws or her own mum to breastfeed when she doesn't want to and on the other hand overbearing new mothers may steal precious bonding time from the father who could've done the same job with a warm bottle.
Either way I think society should turn it's back on this barbaric feeding ritual because it has no place in our future.
What do you think? I'll put up a poll.
Do you think we'll ever completely abandon breastfeeding for Formula? Those wackos that tout that breastfeeding helps reinforce mother-newborn bond at that early stage are overreaching as I have never been breastfed yet I have a great relationship with my mother.
There's also something misandrist about the whole thing (or misogynitic) depends on how you look at it on one-hand a woman may be pressured by the father, in-laws or her own mum to breastfeed when she doesn't want to and on the other hand overbearing new mothers may steal precious bonding time from the father who could've done the same job with a warm bottle.
Either way I think society should turn it's back on this barbaric feeding ritual because it has no place in our future.
What do you think? I'll put up a poll.
That's the most insane thing I have ever read.
I suppose going to the toilet is barbaric and what we really need is some suction tubes.
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Reply 6
What on Earth makes you think breastfeeding is barbaric. Mother's milk is beneficial. Mother's milk can pass on antibodies to the baby and these antibodies help the baby be immune to certain diseases that the mother is immune to, thus increasing the chance of the baby not contracting any disease that could kill it in the early days. This enhances a newborn to survive. If people are starting to think that something natural like this is barbaric then society isn't worth giving importance to.
Reply 7
How is suckling on fat breasted nipples barbaric? It's ecstatic, even for the baby.
Reply 8
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by PaediatricStNI think to class breastfeeding as 'barbaric' is a bit too far... Slavery or rape is barbaric. Not breastfeeding.
Evidence suggests that even just the colostrum (First bit of breast milk produced) can contain important antibodies and other constituents that can have potential benefit to a baby.
That said, mothers should be able to choose what is best for them and their baby. Plenty of purely formula fed babies have equally positive outcomes compared to those who were breastfed. It's down to each individual and no one should be judged either way
Evidence suggests that even just the colostrum (First bit of breast milk produced) can contain important antibodies and other constituents that can have potential benefit to a baby.
That said, mothers should be able to choose what is best for them and their baby. Plenty of purely formula fed babies have equally positive outcomes compared to those who were breastfed. It's down to each individual and no one should be judged either way
Oh here we go "The breast is best" crew has rolled in. In first world countries, Breastfeeding is not a first priority in other words it's not important! The claims about the benefits of breastfeeding are dubious and the scientific evidence is weak and more than likely confounding. You're doing women a disservice by overstating the benefits of this animalistic feeding habit that is no longer compatible with our lifestyles. All things being equal breastfeeding may be best but then all things equal having perfect skin is best and having 20/20 vision is best, too.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
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by Maid MarianThe only thing that puts me off breastfeeding is the saggy boobs you get.
Saggy boobs are inevitable.
Reply 10
How is feeding your baby barbaric? Let me guess, OP has no problem with page 3 and the like?
Reply 11
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by OU StudentHow is feeding your baby barbaric? Let me guess, OP has no problem with page 3 and the like?
What's wrong with page 3?
Reply 12
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by Colonel AgansuOh here we go "The breast is best" crew has rolled in. In first world countries, Breastfeeding is not a first priority in other words it's not important! The claims about the benefits of breastfeeding are dubious and the scientific evidence is weak and more than likely confounding. You're doing women a disservice by overstating the benefits of this animalistic feeding habit that is no longer compatible with our lifestyles. All things being equal breastfeeding may be best but then all things equal having perfect skin is best and having 20/20 vision is best, too.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
It's a shame you didn't read the whole of my comment. At no point do I make out to be part of the "breast is best" crew. I put forward a balanced argument, with pros and cons of breastfeeding, and said that it's ultimately down to each individual mother to decide what is best for her and her baby.
To say that I'm fear mongering mothers into breastfeeding is a judgement on my clinical practice (as a nearly qualified children's nurse), which you cannot possibly make.
I think you're just here to be controversial. I need say no more. Good day to you.
I breastfed my first child for 3 months then du to medical issues I had to switch to formula, I breastfed my second child for 19 months, my third child for 18 months, and my fourth child just turned 19 months yesterday and he still asks for "boob" for a few minutes before bed to comfort him and settle him down.
And I'm perfectly happy with that.
As for my own mother, she breastfed me for 3 months.
If the OP wants to insult me, frankly I couldn't give a rat's arse.
And I'm perfectly happy with that.
As for my own mother, she breastfed me for 3 months.
If the OP wants to insult me, frankly I couldn't give a rat's arse.
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by Colonel AgansuOh here we go "The breast is best" crew has rolled in. In first world countries, Breastfeeding is not a first priority in other words it's not important! The claims about the benefits of breastfeeding are dubious and the scientific evidence is weak and more than likely confounding. You're doing women a disservice by overstating the benefits of this animalistic feeding habit that is no longer compatible with our lifestyles. All things being equal breastfeeding may be best but then all things equal having perfect skin is best and having 20/20 vision is best, too.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
You're dismissing scientific evidence because you don't like the idea. You're being biased, this isn't really a debate...
I'm sorry, but where are you getting this information? This is so ridiculous. Why doesn't it have a place in society? What's wrong with it? The natural process to a child's upbringing, to give it the nutrients it requires... What do you propose instead? Your logic is fantastic...
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by PinkMobilePhoneI breastfed my first child for 3 months then du to medical issues I had to switch to formula, I breastfed my second child for 19 months, my third child for 18 months, and my fourth child just turned 19 months yesterday and he still asks for "boob" for a few minutes before bed to comfort him and settle him down.
And I'm perfectly happy with that.
As for my own mother, she breastfed me for 3 months.
If the OP wants to insult me, frankly I couldn't give a rat's arse.
I don't know what I'm more shocked at that you breastfed for almost 2 years 3 seperate times or that you are a mother of 4.
At any rate you're being overzealous in your martyrdom I have not insulted breastfeeding mothers. I, however, think many mothers are shamed into it or simply misinformed, see my post on misogyny especially in underdeveloped countries.
Reply 16
Let me guess, vaccinations are barbaric too because they improve development and decrease mortality just like breast milk, and you think there is insufficient evidence for those too? Does that mean we should cease crapping, breeding, breathing, because it's all "animalistic" instinct? There are a plethora of studies and insurmountable scientific research into the area showing definitive benefits to breastfeeding. That's not to say that it would be wrong of a person to decide not to breastfeed their children - circumstances may not allow them to do so, and it's not like the results would be disastrous. But again, there are benefits. However, you, Colonel Agansu, might even be a testament to how mothers should definitely breastfeed in order to provide their offspring with sufficient brain cells to avoid the absolutely ludicrous idiocy that you're spouting. Perhaps you should be included in a new study. "Breastfeeding is barbaric"... Honestly. What on earth.
I'd also like to add that I was indeed breastfed until I was 3, and yet I don't have a good relationship with my mother. See? It goes both ways. Just because you do, does not mean everyone else does. And equally, just because I don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Breastfeeding is not a magical spell to grant a permanently amazing relationship with your mother forever and ever. It is, however, an important means to bond with an infant in their early stages of life which can, but not necessarily, lead to increased connection and a stronger bond.
I'd also like to add that I was indeed breastfed until I was 3, and yet I don't have a good relationship with my mother. See? It goes both ways. Just because you do, does not mean everyone else does. And equally, just because I don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Breastfeeding is not a magical spell to grant a permanently amazing relationship with your mother forever and ever. It is, however, an important means to bond with an infant in their early stages of life which can, but not necessarily, lead to increased connection and a stronger bond.
Reply 17
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by Colonel AgansuOh here we go "The breast is best" crew has rolled in. In first world countries, Breastfeeding is not a first priority in other words it's not important! The claims about the benefits of breastfeeding are dubious and the scientific evidence is weak and more than likely confounding. You're doing women a disservice by overstating the benefits of this animalistic feeding habit that is no longer compatible with our lifestyles. All things being equal breastfeeding may be best but then all things equal having perfect skin is best and having 20/20 vision is best, too.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
We've become a society that is overly concerned with eliminating risk and obsessed with putting undue strain on ourselves because we listen to what the scientists and the doctors tell us while ignoring hard truths. Hard truths like the fact that research into breastfeeding is methodologically flawed as the groups are self-selecting in the clinical trials so there's no chance of going randomised. Not to mention that the women who go into these studies have made a commitment to go that extra step since they're breastfeeding so their homes will be cleaner; their children will be under a magnifying glass because they're obsessed with the idea of giving the best to their child. And what you get at the end is not so black and white the results you tout are not as scientifically sound as you made them out to be. In other words you're fear mongering new mothers into partaking in something that they shouldn't really have to nor be ashamed to admit to.
I understand that breastfeeding may be the best choice in a third world country since it's free milk 24/7, however, I think in our own developed society it has no place in the future.
1. Can you give references from peer-reviewed journals supporting your statement?
2. Do you have any competence in Medicine?
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by Josb1. Can you give references from peer-reviewed journals supporting your statement?
Breastfeeding and Infant mortality: Methodological Issues
#Debunked
Reply 19
Moved to society.
Personally, assuming I have kids in the future, Id prefer that my partner breast feeds. Though Im aware how painful this is.. So freedom of choice and all that
Personally, assuming I have kids in the future, Id prefer that my partner breast feeds. Though Im aware how painful this is.. So freedom of choice and all that
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