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As the general election looms nearer, my thoughts and beliefs are changing everyday. I have been a student member of the Labour Party for nearly a year and have volunteered to help hand out leaflets around my local area. However, i have become apathetic towards Labour and its convergent policies. I know realise that I am learning towards the Greens.

HOWEVER I have a stack of Labour leaflets on my desk that need to be handed out and I dont know what to do... Shall i return them or hand them out and hope that people won't take much notice of them anyway? (My area of Sheffield has historically been Labour but now UKIP is looming over the village).

Please help!! I really don't want to be rude to the local councillor or anything, I'm just so confused over where I stand politically at this current and important time.
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(Original post by caitlinhughes25)
As the general election looms nearer, my thoughts and beliefs are changing everyday. I have been a student member of the Labour Party for nearly a year and have volunteered to help hand out leaflets around my local area. However, i have become apathetic towards Labour and its convergent policies. I know realise that I am learning towards the Greens.

HOWEVER I have a stack of Labour leaflets on my desk that need to be handed out and I dont know what to do... Shall i return them or hand them out and hope that people won't take much notice of them anyway? (My area of Sheffield has historically been Labour but now UKIP is looming over the village).

Please help!! I really don't want to be rude to the local councillor or anything, I'm just so confused over where I stand politically at this current and important time.
Don't vote either of them. Labour spend too much time trying to badmouth the other 4 main parties, and the greens may have good intentions but some of their policies are crazy.
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Don't vote either of them. Labour spend too much time trying to badmouth the other 4 main parties, and the greens may have good intentions but some of their policies are crazy.
examples?
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The greens don't seem like much of a legitimate choice to me. I'd vote Labour if you're not voting Racist.

- Maybe that's the strapline that Labour are missing..
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The greens want to introduce the citizens income where everyone would be given £72 a week with no regards to their wealth. It would be a complete waste of money on people who don't need it.
They would make it legal to be part of terrorist groups.
They want almost no immigration control.
They want to abolish prison sentences for women for all crimes apart from serious ones.
And thats just to name a few.
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Not voting for greens because they're not a main party, means they will never be a main party. Just vote for the party who's policies you agree with the most, try to ignore the "if you vote [insert small party here] you vote [insert popular but evil party here]" labour are getting more conservative by the day, I would say vote greens (or snp, they're okay, and have a better idea on the conventional stuff, unlike greens who, although they care for the environment can be clueless when it comes to other aspects of politics).


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i only disagree with a few of those statements. Yes greens will not be the next majority but at least I know i haven't added to the pocket of a party that says good things but does nothing. Does this sounds stupid, but if you live in England does voting for snp make a difference?
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Honestly, if you vote green it is a bit of a wasted vote. In my opinion a Labour government could actually be good for our economy. As much as I do agree with some of the conservative policies, they would not do any favours to the lower and middle classes. Then you have conservatives, and again I do believe that the conservatives have good policies, but I'm not sure if Clegg has the backbone to be prime minister - he suits deputy better! So Labour would definitely be the better of the mix!
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Honestly, if you vote green it is a bit of a wasted vote. In my opinion a Labour government could actually be good for our economy. As much as I do agree with some of the conservative policies, they would not do any favours to the lower and middle classes. Then you have conservatives, and again I do believe that the conservatives have good policies, but I'm not sure if Clegg has the backbone to be prime minister - he suits deputy better! So Labour would definitely be the better of the mix!
The time labour creates economically productive policies post-recession is the time when I run around naked screaming down the street "By Joves I was wrong, by Joves I was wrong".

They're popularists for a reason. Spouting the endless childish nonsense of "Spend more money, get more people working, increase tax revenue, boost the economy, that's all there is to economics".
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The time labour creates economically productive policies post-recession is the time when I run around naked screaming down the street "By Joves I was wrong, by Joves I was wrong".

They're popularists for a reason. Spouting the endless childish nonsense of "Spend more money, get more people working, increase tax revenue, boost the economy, that's all there is to economics".
But surely you don't believe that the conservatives produce economically productive policies! I mean yes the hs2 rail has it benefits and I can understand david camerons reasoning behind it, but do you really think he intends to help all of those in the country and not just those in the top bracket. Honestly when your opinions are between labour, conservatives and lib dem my bote would be labour hands downs because I can see somewhere that they can help this economy recover - and when I say economy I mean the economy as a whole including every single person!

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The time labour creates economically productive policies post-recession is the time when I run around naked screaming down the street "By Joves I was wrong, by Joves I was wrong".

They're popularists for a reason. Spouting the endless childish nonsense of "Spend more money, get more people working, increase tax revenue, boost the economy, that's all there is to economics".
Well, considering Brown got the economy growing again by 2010, i think you better get naked *****.
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But surely you don't believe that the conservatives produce economically productive policies! I mean yes the hs2 rail has it benefits and I can understand david camerons reasoning behind it, but do you really think he intends to help all of those in the country and not just those in the top bracket. Honestly when your opinions are between labour, conservatives and lib dem my bote would be labour hands downs because I can see somewhere that they can help this economy recover - and when I say economy I mean the economy as a whole including every single person!

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I was raised in a working class family in Leeds. They're very very old labour. Hated Tony Blair for not being socialist enough. I hear this "they're only in it for themselves" rhetoric from labour voters all the time.

Clearly the conservatives are not though and why would they be? You don't join ****ing parliament if you just want to help your buds, well, unless you're a narcissist, but they'de fixate on investment markets instead.

People become MPs because they want to better the world. I look at the policies that each party raises objectively with no innate biases and the measures that the current coalition have introduced in the last few years have made the best of a terrible situation that they entered by being a post-depression government. Those changes will be optimal for the economy in the long-run, far better than the nonsense Ed Balls was talking about way back in 2012 when he was completely against austerity measures (he since turned away from that though and says they're good, albeit too severe [which they're not]).

So yes, I do think that the conservative-lib dem coalitions economic policies have the purpose of helping the poor, because they have the purpose of being optimal for our economy and since most people in it are poor the poor will reap the rewards in a few years time when we fully recover from the depression.
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Well, considering Brown got the economy growing again by 2010, i think you better get naked *****.
Because maximal growth is the sole indicator of optimal economic policy?
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Because maximal growth is the sole indicator of optimal economic policy?
It's a good indicator. What would you measure him on?
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If you don't want the conservative or ukip to get in on the picture, vote tactically, vote Labour hopefully that way if there is any coalition it won't involve either of the cons of ukip.
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Vote for who you believe in most - by the sounds of it this is the Greens. I'm also torn between the two. Many people will say it's a 'wasted' vote to choose Green, but I don't see it that way. The main reason I'd vote Green is because of their environmental policies and, considering they're their main policies, if Green get a couple of seats then they could really influence future environmental decisions. The likelihood of coming into power isn't the only reason to vote for a party.
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The Greens want to help the environment by ensuring economic collapse and allowing us no money whatsoever to spend on the environment.

Yeah vote for Greens to improve the environment sound logic there.
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It's a good indicator. What would you measure him on?
Inflation, currency value, the way particular sector's growth was affected in contrast to other countries (to see whether he had done something unique for some sectors or if it was a global-driven-change), regional inequality, budget deficit, balance of trades, spending distribution for the government vs outcomes in education/health/military and so on.

My favourite thing about Brown was that back in Blair's government he gave the Bank of England a lot more political independence to prevent it from being a political football and to allow it to use monetary policy to actually benefit the country rather than the incumbent government's chances of winning again next year. That was really nice.
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Inflation, currency value, the way particular sector's growth was affected in contrast to other countries (to see whether he had done something unique for some sectors or if it was a global-driven-change), regional inequality, budget deficit, balance of trades, spending distribution for the government vs outcomes in education/health/military and so on.

My favourite thing about Brown was that back in Blair's government he gave the Bank of England a lot more political independence to prevent it from being a political football and to allow it to use monetary policy to actually benefit the country rather than the incumbent government's chances of winning again next year. That was really nice.
So why do you think that he wasn't good post the recession?

I can't tell if the second comment is sarcastic.
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