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I think it's quite absurd how many of you are calling some Russell Group universities "meh" when they're world class. The amount of snobbery and hyperbolic inaccuracies spewed on this thread is disgusting. Someone has literally questioned whether they want to go to QMUL because a plethora of kids on here not even at university think they have the authority to attenuate the quality of institutions that help get people into the most respected professions, solely because tabloid rankings based on measures that have no purpose in dictating the calibre of a university have allocated them a number.

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What's the overall verdict on Birmingham or Nottingham?


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(Original post by callum_law)
The problem with the international rankings is that they're full of ****. Have you seen the spread each ranking has for the RG? Some unis are 55 in one, 250 in another, 150 in this one (plus QMUL is ranked as being the same as Durham in the QS rankings). And for some reason people think the international rankings are more reliable than the domestic rankings—they ain't.
It's not the most accurate indicator, but there is some truth in them. If anything, it shows that the quality of a university. Universities of poorer quality generally do worse in rankings.What you can tell from these rankings are that Oxbridge is generally good, which is in line with what most people think of it. It also shows that QMUL is actually pretty decent in the grand scheme of things, and is able to hold its own internationally.
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(Original post by callum_law)
Yeah, for some reason South East Asia think it's prestigious. I am not quite sure why.
From south east asia here, and I vouch for this. They love QMUL here like its not even funny. I think it has something to do with being in London, and generally other London unis (such as LSE, UCL, KCL) are pretty good so perhaps its a disillusion that QMUL is similarly good
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(Original post by cambio wechsel)
the PR battle was lost as the Russell Group, and especially its lesser lights, kept pushing the notion that these were, yes, 'the leading research-intensive universities'.
I wonder if political correctness; a general unwillingness to dump on Liverpool and Queen's from a stance in the pleasant surroundings of Palace Green, the Old Course, Royal Crescent, the Lanes, Streatham campus or the Knavesmire played a part in this.
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That's not the case for most Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as a lot of them I know struggle to even do well at GCSE and most of the ones that get to college don't even end up in prestigious universities. You will find a higher proportion of very well educated individuals amongst the Indians.
This is a load of rubbish! Were are you getting your figures? Or are you basing theese statements of your own perception and opinion? Indians and Chinese do the best in terms of GCSE'S yes, but to say bengais underperform is ridiculous. Figures from 2014 clearly showthat children from Bangladeshi backgrounds on average attained better gcse grades than white British students (Report Issued by the Department of Education).
I also feel you unfairly stereotyped your view on South Asians with the ones you'd find in the poorer areas of London. Im born and raised in Surrey with the rest of my family and I attained 3A* and 8A in GCSEs and am moving out for university in September (Uni of Nottingham) this is true for my brother and my cousins, who all moved out for uni. So to say you are gravley mistaken is an understatement.
So next time you make a ignorant comment make sure you understand you could be labeling a whole subcontinent on the basis of you closed minded opinion. And p.s I'm Muslim too, so you are completely wrong there too.

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(Original post by Mad wife)
I'm surprised Qub gets such a bad review. It has a fantastic medical school and is pretty research intensive. It did pretty well in Ref. I don't think it's that bad a university.
QUB's medical school is nothing special. Never heard anything unique or interesting coming from there.
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(Original post by CVK Abhiroop)
From south east asia here, and I vouch for this. They love QMUL here like its not even funny. I think it has something to do with being in London, and generally other London unis (such as LSE, UCL, KCL) are pretty good so perhaps its a disillusion that QMUL is similarly good
Well, it is of quite a good standard, despite what you may think of it (although I agree that 'prestige' wise it isn't on the same level as LSE). Regarding your bolded statement, I don't really see much evidence of it. Most people have heard of Oxbridge and LSE in SEA, the rest of the unis, not so much.
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(Original post by 1drowssap)
Well, it is of quite a good standard, despite what you may think of it (although I agree that 'prestige' wise it isn't on the same level as LSE). Regarding your bolded statement, I don't really see much evidence of it. Most people have heard of Oxbridge and LSE in SEA, the rest of the unis, not so much.
Well I guess I can't really give you evidence, but I guess I can narrow down my statement to people I know. They seem to have an idea that only the London unis (plus oxbridge of course) are good in UK, and the rest aren't as good, and that somehow makes them place QMUL over the other UK unis
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Because it's about research. That's what determines a Russell Group uni.

The amount of people who don't know that are shocking.
Well, not just "research", but research income and size, with the crucial importance being the presence of a medical school (given how much funding medical research attracts, compared to the humanities).

Leicester does well "in research" (broadly speaking), and has a medical school, so it's perhaps not incredibly surprising that some, who may not be aware of its research income, may expect to have entered the Russell Group with the most recent intake, around the time the 1994 Group disbanded.
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(Original post by CVK Abhiroop)
Well I guess I can't really give you evidence, but I guess I can narrow down my statement to people I know. They seem to have an idea that only the London unis (plus oxbridge of course) are good in UK, and the rest aren't as good, and that somehow makes them place QMUL over the other UK unis
Can't comment on that, but it's definitely not the worst of the RGs. I heard nottingham and manchester are pretty popular(especially manchester). There's also other unis in london as well, so I guess the factors like a combination of location + of good standard of education + of relatively high ranking internationally could be the reason why it's more popular than other good UK unis, which don't have as good a location.
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Eh, I agree Liverpool isn't one of the best but it honestly doesn't deserve the amount of criticism it sometimes receives. I couldn't be happier there and do not regret my choice at all

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It's not about how 'happy' you are there it's about how good the university is
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Can't comment on that, but it's definitely not the worst of the RGs. I heard nottingham and manchester are pretty popular(especially manchester). There's also other unis in london as well, so I guess the factors like a combination of location + of good standard of education + of relatively high ranking internationally could be the reason why it's more popular than other good UK unis, which don't have as good a location.

Haha I personally love Manchester and kill myself everytime I remember that I was too scared to apply there, but as far as my school mates are concerned, its usually Oxbridge > UCL/LSE > London unis and after this point they rather study local
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Yeah m8 cambridge is **** isn't it
Are you stupid : do you know what oxbridge means.

Cambridge is the best uni in the UK lol
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(Original post by SiminaM)
QUB, Liverpool, Newcastle/Sheffield/Leeds
Predictable. Every time this topic comes up you'll find the same less fashionable, former industrial cities mentioned - namely QUB and Liverpool., as TSR's largely southern and middle class members can't get past old stereotypes when judging the universities .

Admittedly this is less true of Newcastle these last ten years, which has established itself as a party and cultural centre and has a high independent school intake. But it is still nonetheless provincial, and some still have negative perceptions or stereotypical views of the city - as evidenced by me showing a picture of Grey Street on this site years ago, and people being amazed at its architecture and "really surprised" such streets exist in Newcastle. I don't know if they were expecting lines of cardboard boxes or soot covered timber buildings...

I can see no reason why Newcastle, Sheffield or Leeds are significantly weaker than Durham, Nottingham or Bristol, and I say this as a Durham graduate. Besides, comparing universities (who have different strengths) is so difficult anyway.

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Why does everyone really put down newcastle?
See my comment above, the same is true of Liverpool, Belfast and others.

I think Newcastle's biggest problem in these threads is that, as it's strength as a medical school is so well known, people often perpetuate the stereotype that it's only world class in medicine. Its other strengths are in the shadow of its medical school. Also the high independent school intake perhaps has an effect. I once heard it described by one member as "a place for thick Harrowians who couldn't get into anywhere better" - speaking of the law department specifically, rather than the university at large.
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(Original post by cambio wechsel)
I had a nosy look at your user-profile and see that you're at Exeter. This is happy circumstance because I did my first degree at York and - for all that they've both allowed themselves to be seduced - these are two of the dozen or so universities with best reason to be peeved at the Russell Group and its agenda setting.

The Russell Group from its inception billed itself as representing 'the leading Research-Intensive universities'. And that was naughty since this was true only if parsed as 'The research-intensive universities leading the race to attract money understood as a brute sum rather than adjusted for size and partitioned by faculty', which is how no-one would parse that.

York, Exeter, Durham, Bath and so on were rightly cheesed. The notion that the quality of research activity could sensibly be measured like this seemed outrageous, some several of these were then a third of the size of some of the RG institutions and had a very strong bias toward the arts and social sciences rather than medicine, pharmacy and robotics. Well of course they weren't going to be attracting as much money if that was only an aggregate amount.

The 1994 group was set up solely to counter this narrative but the PR battle was lost as the Russell Group, and especially its lesser lights, kept pushing the notion that these were, yes, 'the leading research-intensive universities'. It was a maddening time to be a York or Exeter graduate conscious that the work being done at your alma mater was quite as good as at half the RG but that a popular imagination couldn't be convinced of it because persuaded that research money = research quality = prestige.
I think you are representing what I said in an unfair way. I was obviously not supposing that overall spending was in itself indicative of prestige, rather the individual faculty budget for research is correlative with good research and by extension good researchers/academics; and good academics are correlative with prestige. No reasonable person would suppose simply because a university has a large research budget that it must necessarily be prestigious, due to the reasons you outlined such as size of the university. Nor would anyone suppose that faculty-based spending is the sole assessment criterion for prestige; it's a much more complex issue than that.

Ultimately, the fact the Russell Group is reputedly more research-intensive than the other universities suggests prestige.
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It's not about how 'happy' you are there it's about how good the university is
Well actually, happiness is very important anyway, it isn't a bad university at all and is one of very few to offer my course, which I feel has been taught very well.
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Can't comment on that, but it's definitely not the worst of the RGs. I heard nottingham and manchester are pretty popular(especially manchester). There's also other unis in london as well, so I guess the factors like a combination of location + of good standard of education + of relatively high ranking internationally could be the reason why it's more popular than other good UK unis, which don't have as good a location.
Well Nottingham have campuses in Malaysia and China, so actively target East/South East Asian students and have made attempts to increase their profile in the wider region (as other universities, such as Newcastle, have also started doing). Manchester is a large city, the only city remotely comparable to London in the eyes of many international students, and, of course, Manchester United. I don't think there's anything particularly special about their locations, particularly not Nottingham anyway.
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Predictable. Every time this topic comes up you'll find the same less fashionable, former industrial cities mentioned - namely QUB and Liverpool., as TSR's largely southern and middle class members can't get past old stereotypes when judging the universities .

Admittedly this is less true of Newcastle these last ten years, which has established itself as a party and cultural centre and has a high independent school intake. But it is still nonetheless provincial, and some still have negative perceptions or stereotypical views of the city - as evidenced by me showing a picture of Grey Street on this site years ago, and people being amazed at its architecture and "really surprised" such streets exist in Newcastle. I don't know if they were expecting lines of cardboard boxes or soot covered timber buildings...

I can see no reason why Newcastle, Sheffield or Leeds are significantly weaker than Durham, Nottingham or Bristol, and I say this as a Durham graduate. Besides, comparing universities (who have different strengths) is so difficult anyway.



See my comment above, the same is true of Liverpool, Belfast and others.

I think Newcastle's biggest problem in these threads is that, as it's strength as a medical school is so well known, people often perpetuate the stereotype that it's only world class in medicine. Its other strengths are in the shadow of its medical school. Also the high independent school intake perhaps has an effect. I once heard it described by one member as "a place for thick Harrowians who couldn't get into anywhere better" - speaking of the law department specifically, rather than the university at large.
Southern middle class? I'm not even british...
Also,no one said those aren't good unis. Which 3 would you choose as the weakest of the Russel Group anyway?
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(Original post by Changing Skies)
Well actually, happiness is very important anyway, it isn't a bad university at all and is one of very few to offer my course, which I feel has been taught very well.
Happiness is important but the problem is that it's very difficult to assess. There is always an awareness when filling in the survey that saying you are dissatisfied with the university lessens the image of the uni and adversely affects the standing of your degree when you graduate. If there were a more reliable way of finding out how happy people are with the programme, then it'd become meaningful.
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