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Hello,

Just wondering is it just your undergraduate the teacher training providers look at for the financial assistance or do they look at masters?

For example, if you have a 2.1 undergraduate but a 1.1 masters will the amount increase for primary?

Thanks for any insight to this you may have.
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I'd be interested to know the answer to this, but by the looks of the table they DfE published on the website, it appears that they offer the same for a 2:1 and for a Masters, because there is no specification of level for the Masters on the table.
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Yeah, it's just because I read on the explanatory document that if you've a 3rd and a masters you're assessed as if you've a 2.2. Similarly, if you've a 2.2 and a masters you're assessed as though it's a 2.1! So it's only fair if you've a 2.1 and a masters, especially a 1.1 masters you get assessed on that basis. What do you think? It's my understanding that the providers calculate the amount. So maybe if we present that to them?
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Well you could give it a go... but I'm doubtful that it will work! You know what the government is like - only wanting to pay out the bare minimum that they have to pay out!!!
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Well you could give it a go... but I'm doubtful that it will work! You know what the government is like - only wanting to pay out the bare minimum that they have to pay out!!!

I was just was sharing my understanding of the system… I think it isunfair that any grade masters grade masters brings up every grade degree exceptfor 2.1. A 2.1 cannot be raised to a 1.1 for calculation. And on what arbitrarycalculation is a masters the same as a 2.1? Do you get me?
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I was just was sharing my understanding of the system… I think it isunfair that any grade masters grade masters brings up every grade degree exceptfor 2.1. A 2.1 cannot be raised to a 1.1 for calculation. And on what arbitrarycalculation is a masters the same as a 2.1? Do you get me?
I do see your point, and to an extent I agree with it.
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I do see your point, and to an extent I agree with it.
Oh, I thought this was something you wanted insight on aswell. May I ask to what extent you do not agree with it?

If anybody else has any actual experience with this point it would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Oh, I thought this was something you wanted insight on aswell. May I ask to what extent you do not agree with it?

If anybody else has any actual experience with this point it would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Well I would like insight into the system, since I am affected by the way they choose to calculate bursary levels and so forth.

However, as much as it takes extra work to achieve a Masters degree, and therefore it is seen as a better qualification than a 2:1 undergrad degree, they have to draw a line somewhere, and it is generally agreed that a PhD is a better qualification than a Masters. For people applying with a PhD, it could be seen as unfair to them that they are not distinguished from someone with "only" a Masters (please note, I neither agree nor disagree with this viewpoint, I am only looking at it from various sides of the argument).

I also can see that it would become a huge amount more complicated if they have to differentiate between people based on every separate qualification they hold. In my eyes, levelling a 2:1 and a Masters the same and a 1st and a PhD the same is just a simple way of awarding bursaries, no matter how "fair" the system is.

It would be really interesting to know from anyone who has been in a similar situation what happened to them!
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Well I would like insight into the system, since I am affected by the way they choose to calculate bursary levels and so forth.

However, as much as it takes extra work to achieve a Masters degree, and therefore it is seen as a better qualification than a 2:1 undergrad degree, they have to draw a line somewhere, and it is generally agreed that a PhD is a better qualification than a Masters. For people applying with a PhD, it could be seen as unfair to them that they are not distinguished from someone with "only" a Masters (please note, I neither agree nor disagree with this viewpoint, I am only looking at it from various sides of the argument).

I also can see that it would become a huge amount more complicated if they have to differentiate between people based on every separate qualification they hold. In my eyes, levelling a 2:1 and a Masters the same and a 1st and a PhD the same is just a simple way of awarding bursaries, no matter how "fair" the system is.

It would be really interesting to know from anyone who has been in a similar situation what happened to them!

Yes, actually you are right on the PhD thing. I guess in my tunnel vision I did not think about that. My only issue I guess is that lower degrees can be "bumped up" with a masters, however a 2.1 can not! But such is the system I guess... and getting a bursary is a huge help- no matter what the amount!
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