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Its well known that young people dont vote conservative, they haven't got much money, is an important point and vote for left wing policies like labour has. the vote, on here, is not representative of the real outcome therefore.

Also UKIP is more attractive to older people

Do not vote Labour because, Labour will almost certainly join a coalition with SNP. So what will you get? loose our nuclear deterrent. Scotland separates from the UK
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Voting Labour won't make you any richer than Conservatives can.

yes, I think it will be a Labour SNP coalition anyway, we can't stop it, there's too much momentum behind it now.
And by talking about it we are normalising and conditioning ourselves for it, maybe their psychological plan all along ??

Are UKIP to blame for taking votes off conservatives ?

Perhaps, but people shouldn't vote tactically.
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Your post is just a rambling mess to be honest.

Here's why I won't vote for "conservatism":

If you mean conservatism of the current system or situation, why would I want this? It's dire.

If you mean conservatism of some fact of our society or state that is traditional e.g. the Monarchy - Why? These things have little to no relevance on our lives and have little to do with how things were in the past.

If you mean the Conservative Party then, while they are probably the best of some very terrible options, their policies are still detrimental to the common person's interests.
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I wouldn't know what the 'conservative' option is even if I wanted it. The Conservative Party is quite radically neoliberal nowadays, Labour and the Lib Dems only somewhat less so and UKIP is reactionary. The Greens probably come closest (hilarious as that is) given their views on the speed of globalization and the environment.
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The reason why the young aren't as conservative is because, in general, they have less vested interest in things staying the same.
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Conservatism is the way forward for Britain. Young people are generally drawn to the Left due to promises of 'free' education/healthcare etc. But what they forget is that that means increased taxes (as well as the fact that Labour have destroyed the British economy just about every time they've come into power, then blame the Tories for cutting budgets to reduce the deficit.)
I believe that young people need to be educated about British politics, and I would nearly guarantee that they would flock to the Right.
Thankfully I (and the majority of my friends: we've all just turned 18) have found the light, and we will be voting Conservative in the General Election.
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(Original post by a320airbus97)
Conservatism is the way forward for Britain. Young people are generally drawn to the Left due to promises of 'free' education/healthcare etc. But what they forget is that that means increased taxes (as well as the fact that Labour have destroyed the British economy just about every time they've come into power, then blame the Tories for cutting budgets to reduce the deficit.)
I believe that young people need to be educated about British politics, and I would nearly guarantee that they would flock to the Right.
Thankfully I (and the majority of my friends: we've all just turned 18) have found the light, and we will be voting Conservative in the General Election.
Nope, you definitely haven't found the light. You are marginally better than the idiots you think that if we raised taxes on the rich that we'd have a socialist utopia.

Learn about monetary policy and how money is created in the modern world please. The fact that we have reached peak or near peak credit is not because Labour ****ed up. It's because of how money is created in this fiat system.

Not that I think Labour are good or anything. They are the same and the represent the same banking interests.
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Do not vote Labour because, Labour will almost certainly join a coalition with SNP.
Scaremongering, and it's mainly because you know you wouldn't win a policy debate.

Labour will not go into coalition with the SNP because it's not on the table. The SNP will provide confidence and supply to Labour, there will be no coalition agreement.

The greatest practical abolitionists as far as the union are concerned is the conservative party, which has so alienated the Scots that their name is poison there.
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Not that I think Labour are good or anything. They are the same and the represent the same banking interests.
Which banking interests are these?

You're not one of those Rothschilds fractional reserve people, are you?
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heres your choice

1. tories .... will work against u
2. labour .... will debt the country up
3. greens ... will ram climate change down your throat
4. ukip .... will bully people
5. lib dems ..... will say one thing then betray u

good luck voting
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Which banking interests are these?

You're not one of those Rothschilds fractional reserve people, are you?
J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, HSBC. The interests are out there in the open but the degree to which they have influence is not.

Nope, those people are anti-semitic idiots.
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young people are honestly better off voting Conservative anyway. Under labour we would see a backward trend in the recent growth and success of the country, and I'm pretty sure we'd soon be back in a recession
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Labour have destroyed the British economy just about every time they've come into power, then blame the Tories for cutting budgets to reduce the deficit.)
Actually, the last time that happened Labour only had a small bit of the blame. The last financial crisis was caused by reckless bankers who were able to act recklessly because of what the Conservatives had previously done to the banking sector - deregulation when the Conservatives had last been in power. Labour failed to do anything about that, but that all originated from Conservative policy. And the Conservatives were arguing for even more deregulation right until the financial crisis. Labour did not cause the last financial crisis.

You might want to have a look at this if you think Labour are always bad with the economy and the Conservatives are always good.
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Its well known that young people dont vote conservative, they haven't got much money, is an important point and vote for left wing policies like labour has. the vote, on here, is not representative of the real outcome therefore.

Also UKIP is more attractive to older people

Do not vote Labour because, Labour will almost certainly join a coalition with SNP. So what will you get? loose our nuclear deterrent. Scotland separates from the UK
Vote SNP.
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Actually, the last time that happened Labour only had a small bit of the blame. The last financial crisis was caused by reckless bankers who were able to act recklessly because of what the Conservatives had previously done to the banking sector - deregulation when the Conservatives had last been in power. Labour failed to do anything about that, but that all originated from Conservative policy. And the Conservatives were arguing for even more deregulation right until the financial crisis. Labour did not cause the last financial crisis.

You might want to have a look at this if you think Labour are always bad with the economy and the Conservatives are always good.
It's very reductionist to say that the last financial crisis was solely caused by reckless bankers. Yes, that was a massive part of it but we have to ask why such reckless behaviour was possible. It is not enough to talk of Tory deregulation because some aspects of the banking system were deregulated but plenty more regulations came into being before the financial crisis. We have to even question whether regulation is at all able to stop anything.

In my opinion it is the monetary system and the policies of the central banks that is largely responsible. It is our debt based monetary system and the lender of last resort that encouraged banks to massively expand credit in society with the knowledge that if they ever came close to collapse that a central bank would bail them out. It is this debt based monetary system that can cause these asset bubbles.

I recommend that you read this: http://www.cobdencentre.org/2014/11/...ociety-debate/
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It'd be nice to have some moderate Liberals (capital L) as distinct from the extremists we have representing both parties at the moment. Camerons cut or die, and Milibands tax or die policies are not worth a vote, we need a middle grand with sufficient state intervention and private initiative.
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It'd be nice to have some moderate Liberals (capital L) as distinct from the extremists we have representing both parties at the moment. Camerons cut or die, and Milibands tax or die policies are not worth a vote, we need a middle grand with sufficient state intervention and private initiative.

http://www.markpack.org.uk/files/201..._1200px-v5.jpg
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I can never understand why people think that more benefits means more wealth. All it means is more opportunities to laze around, which as a young person is not something I wish to do.
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The greatest practical abolitionists as far as the union are concerned is the conservative party, which has so alienated the Scots that their name is poison there.
Conservatives have always been poison to a lot of scots. Nothing new. What is new is the feeling of betrayal by labour and a new party stepped in to eat up those votes (SNP).
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
In my opinion it is the monetary system and the policies of the central banks that is largely responsible. It is our debt based monetary system and the lender of last resort that encouraged banks to massively expand credit in society with the knowledge that if they ever came close to collapse that a central bank would bail them out. It is this debt based monetary system that can cause these asset bubbles.

I recommend that you read this: http://www.cobdencentre.org/2014/11/...ociety-debate/
Is that anything to do with this?

http://www.positivemoney.org/


I wacthed the video in your link. Do you really think the best people to tackle those sort of problems (if indeed you believe those are problems) are the neoliberals who think you should just leave markets alone. It seems to me if you want to change that kind of thing you linked it require some kind of regulation. People at the top of the pyramid profit out of the situation that makes those at the bottom of the pyramid worse of. There isn't even the risk of bankrupts etc for those at the top since they are 'too big to fail'

One way those at the bottom can change things is if they vote in a government that doesn't view regulation and state interference like neocons do.

(Original post by felamaslen)
I can never understand why people think that more benefits means more wealth. All it means is more opportunities to laze around, which as a young person is not something I wish to do.
I don't think in term of simplistic narratives designed to make me ignorant to what is actually going on.
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