# Newtonian Mechanics Easy Question

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I will have to develop two equations, one for m2, in order to find the acceleration vector, and one for m1 to find the force.

So the first equation:

[positive direction: to the right -------->]

sigma F(x) = m a(x)

20 - 0.3 ( 5 g ) = 5 a

therefore, a = 1.057 m s ^-2

The second equation for the m1 object:

Lets call the force F(2):

F(2) - 0.5 (2g) = 2 (1.057)

F(2) = 11.9 ms^-2 (3 sf)

This answer is wrong, I don't where I went wrong really. Any help would be appreciated. Thought this would refresh my basic mechanics skills.

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**two**separate diagrams: one for the bottom block and one for the top block.

For the bottom block, the forces acting should be: weight, normal reaction, friction between the block and the surface,

**friction between the blocks**and the applied force.

I assume the question means what is the

**horizontal**force acting on

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Draw

For the bottom block, the forces acting should be: weight, normal reaction, friction between the block and the surface,

I assume the question means what is the

**pleasedtobeatyou**)Draw

**two**separate diagrams: one for the bottom block and one for the top block.For the bottom block, the forces acting should be: weight, normal reaction, friction between the block and the surface,

**friction between the blocks**and the applied force.I assume the question means what is the

**horizontal**force acting onLike I find the acceleration using m2, and then I can find the horizontal force acting on m1. Btw, for m2, I will have to use the total mass of 5 Kg right?

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Thank you for taking part. How I can find the horizontal force acting on m2? Shouldn't it be on m1?

Like I find the acceleration using m2, and then I can find the horizontal force acting on m1. Btw, for m2, I will have to use the total mass of 5 Kg right?

**Daniel Atieh**)Thank you for taking part. How I can find the horizontal force acting on m2? Shouldn't it be on m1?

Like I find the acceleration using m2, and then I can find the horizontal force acting on m1. Btw, for m2, I will have to use the total mass of 5 Kg right?

Look at the bottom block. Horizontally, there is an applied force. There is also a frictional force due to the contact between the surface. There is another frictional force between the two blocks.

Sum these forces and you'll find the resultant horizontal force, acting on that is.

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You don't need to consider in this explicit manner.

Look at the bottom block. Horizontally, there is an applied force. There is also a frictional force due to the contact between the surface. There is another frictional force between the two blocks.

Sum these forces and you'll find the resultant horizontal force, acting on that is.

**pleasedtobeatyou**)You don't need to consider in this explicit manner.

Look at the bottom block. Horizontally, there is an applied force. There is also a frictional force due to the contact between the surface. There is another frictional force between the two blocks.

Sum these forces and you'll find the resultant horizontal force, acting on that is.

Even after I sum the forces, it's coming wrong. I believe I got something wrong in the frictional forces and Normal reaction :/

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Does the question say find the forces acting on or ? I'm actually asking, can't read the question.

**pleasedtobeatyou**)Does the question say find the forces acting on or ? I'm actually asking, can't read the question.

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I can't actually see either :/ But I think it says on m1. I didn't shoot this picture from my book so.

**Daniel Atieh**)I can't actually see either :/ But I think it says on m1. I didn't shoot this picture from my book so.

The reaction force is only here.

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The frictional force acting between the surfaces isn't is it?

The reaction force is only here.

**pleasedtobeatyou**)The frictional force acting between the surfaces isn't is it?

The reaction force is only here.

m2 has a mass of 3 Kg, and m1's mass = 5 Kg

The coefficient of kinetic friction between the surfaces is 0.3, and the coefficient of static friction between m1 and m2 is 0.5

I still don't know how to arrive to the answer

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Use that and the coefficients of friction to find the forces acting.

That's as detailed help as I should be giving you really. If you still can't arrive at the answer, I'd recommend that you speak to your teacher.

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The normal reaction on the bottom block on its lower surface is 5g. The normal reaction on the bottom block on its upper surface is 2g.

Use that and the coefficients of friction to find the forces acting.

That's as detailed help as I should be giving you really. If you still can't arrive at the answer, I'd recommend that you speak to your teacher.

**pleasedtobeatyou**)The normal reaction on the bottom block on its lower surface is 5g. The normal reaction on the bottom block on its upper surface is 2g.

Use that and the coefficients of friction to find the forces acting.

That's as detailed help as I should be giving you really. If you still can't arrive at the answer, I'd recommend that you speak to your teacher.

So I can find the acceleration using the bottom object. Then what keeps m1 moving with m2 is the static friction right? I can find it using F = ma

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I believe that I can reach to the answer with a few more steps, and not need to ask my teacher.

So I can find the acceleration using the bottom object. Then what keeps m1 moving with m2 is the static friction right? I can find it using F = ma

**Daniel Atieh**)I believe that I can reach to the answer with a few more steps, and not need to ask my teacher.

So I can find the acceleration using the bottom object. Then what keeps m1 moving with m2 is the static friction right? I can find it using F = ma

From what I see, you're missing a few fundamentals.

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No. If you grapsed about 60% of the content required for this topic, you would be able to take a good stab at the question.

From what I see, you're missing a few fundamentals.

**pleasedtobeatyou**)No. If you grapsed about 60% of the content required for this topic, you would be able to take a good stab at the question.

From what I see, you're missing a few fundamentals.

I told you that I can find the acceleration using the bottom object (F=ma, where the forces are the pull of 20 N, and the kinetic friction 0.3 x 5g N, and the mass to be used is 5). Now that I have got the acceleration, I can use F=ma for the top one, and it turns out that the sigma F to the right = 2.1 N which is provided by the static friction (to the right) between m1 and m2.

What I want here is to know if this approach is correct or wrong.

Edit: maximum static friction is 9.8 N

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