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    i live in canada, so will i be fined? or is it only americans? plus that aticle said ppl who OFFER? i dont even share my files on kazaa (im a ******* :> )


    so am i going to jail or what?
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    (Original post by jinzuu)
    i live in canada, so will i be fined? or is it only americans? plus that aticle said ppl who OFFER? i dont even share my files on kazaa (im a ******* :> )


    so am i going to jail or what?
    No. They only go after people who are like sharing/downlaoding 1000 + files/month. Keep it under 300 and you are fine.

    You are a ******* indeed.
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    Well we all now know that the RIAA is cracking down in the UK. I have read a lot of the posts people have put up with regards to this topic and some people haven't yet grasped the idea of copying and copyright.

    It doesnt matter what file format or bitrate from the original CD-Audio WAVE you use YOU ARE STILL MAKING AN UNAUTHORIZED COPY - the file format can be MP3, WMA, WAV, OGG, ATRAC, RealAudio or any other.

    Even recording a song from your favourite radio station is breaking copyright laws - 'apparently' you are allowed to keep it on tape for 24 hours after which you must erase the track.

    To legally obtain copyrighted music you have to purchase it - whether it be from a CD you bought or you joined a music download site where you are charged for downloading. The paid download service has fingerprinted the files and has the express consent of the Music Industry to upload the music to paying customers.

    The music you download from ANYONE has its own unique signature, or 'fingerprint', which is traceable - I dont know how though! For example, MS MediaPlayer, when you 'rip' a CD to WMA audio most computers have got the Digital Rights Management selected by default which means a 'fingerprint' of your MediaPlayer installation is encrypted onto the file and ensures that only that file will ONLY work on that computer with the current installation of MediaPlayer. If you then decide to upload your fingerprinted files to others then the files WILL NOT play.

    The RIAA (i have read) is targeting the mass uploaders but as many people have already pointed out that the people sharing moderate numbers of files will be a "last resort". We must not assume that we are immune to the RIAA threats because after all people who download music through P2P applications without paying for it are still breaking copyright laws.

    I have also read about the annoyances of Spy and Ad Ware. It is perfectly legal for companies to use Ad and Spy Ware so even if the RIAA have sent out spyware they are well within the law to use it. - I completely disagree with Spy and Ad Ware because of the ethical issues it arises - I also use software to remove these anyway on an almost daily basis!

    I would suggest like a fair few people on this thread have mentioned is if you occasionally download music that you disable sharing of files completely within your P2P software. If you download enough copyrighted files a day that you moderate the number you allow and you've got to be fairly stupid to share your entire collection of thousands of music files - firstly you don't listen to that number anyway and second the RIAA will pick you off one by one.

    I also believe (and compare) music sharing as being the same as how the drug world works. The dealer (the person sharing a LOT of music) is illegal and are the ones being hunted mostly, but the recipient from the dealer is either another dealer (someone else setting up a large server to upload lots of music) or the individual who uses the drug for "personal use" without intent to supply (possession of "illegal articles") - which is still an offence in the UK.
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    that's pathetic! Kazaa was such a good program... now all the people will move to other web sites, or ftps...
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    (Original post by maljosh)
    now all the people will move to other web sites, or ftps...
    i.e., the perfectly good system that existed before p2p.
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    Hi i live in the uk and is it tru dat they r suring users in the uk. im not a major user as i tend to d/l the songs then burn them on to cd. should i do anything about it?
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    (Original post by cowfactory100)
    Hi i live in the uk and is it tru dat they r suring users in the uk. im not a major user as i tend to d/l the songs then burn them on to cd. should i do anything about it?
    yes, they have started sueing people (or maybe started to start sueing people, i.e. they have expressed the intention of starting to sue people, and if that hasnt got you confused, give yourself a pat on the back) but i think they are only going to sue the hardcore filesharers with massssssssssssssssive servers.
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    lol elpaw - got me completely confused! Cowfactory100 if you disable sharing of files in your P2P application(s) other users will NOT be able to see what files you have downloaded and have to offer. People believe that everyone who does not share their files are killing P2P but all you people thinking that out there ask yourself how many billions of people all over the planet ARE sharing their files - what is a handful of people not sharing files going to do to P2P? - not a lot!

    Cowfactory100, you have got to be one of the most sensible people, writing all your downloaded music to CD. Do you then delete the files from your computer once you've written them to CD? (probably a silly question)

    elpaw is correct in what he/she's saying that the RIAA are predominatley targeting the mass file sharers and if they really want to put the pressure on or if they still don't think they're targeting enough people they will AS A LAST RESORT (I have heard) start targeting the less mass sharing users. Basically they'll target the superusers, then the not so superusers and so on. They will probably run out of money for law suites IF they finally get to the average Joe who downloads 1 track in a month, say!

    What the RIAA and the world music production companies must think about if they want illegal music sharing to reduce is to think about WHY people are doing it. Have they ever gone into, for example, a supermarket and had a look at the extortionate prices of albums today. Let's break the price down:

    1) Royalties for the Artist(s)
    2) Royalties for the production company/ies
    3) The manufacture of the CD and case
    4) A charge applied to create revenue for the third party seller (the supermarket)

    If we buy an album from, say, artist 'x' who has an album with 13 tracks, we go to a shop and it costs £14.99

    the cost of a blank CD-R is approx. 30p so for the mass CD producing companies must be around 10p per blank disk. that comes to £14.89.

    The shop takes their bit of the overall price, say £3.00 that's £11.89.

    We then have to take off any taxes, say £2.00 that leaves us with £9.89

    The record company and the artist, shall we say, take 50/50 of what's left. Thats roughly a fiver PER ALBUM SOLD. If the top artist sells tens of thousands of albums say their first few months that's:

    eg. £5.00 x 10,000 albums = £50,000!!!

    We all say that the renowned artists who have put the work and the effort in deserve their status. They apparently do good work by giving some of their money to charities and third world countries but they neglect to think that it is OUR money they are using; and it is also our money that is giving them their lives of luxury with villas in barbados, super cars, their weeks on end in 5 star hotels with their girlfriends. We all enjoy watching our favourite artists perform and we envy their life of glam and not needing to worry about money but who is losing out - US THE NAIIVE PUBLIC.

    The RIAA don't think about this, it's all "we'll clamp down on the people who are trying to tell us something and keep the truth covered". This planet and everyone who lives on it is money and power obsessed, if the music and film industry had a good hard look into their methods they would realise that it is because they are taking so much money from us that we resort to these actions.

    Even if the record companies, artists and any other party involved in the production and sale of an album were to lower their demands and prices of albums dropped they would still be in the same position that illegal file swapping will still continue and nothing they do can stop file sharing. The 'epidemic' of file sharing has been caught by most of the world's population.

    The RIAA and monitoring companies they employ to catch mass file sharers must also think about the speed of development of more powerful algorithms and software that very soon in the future will make a lot of internet users anonymous and much harder to trace which again will result in higher costs for software development and more powerful and faster computers to meet this development will be needed.

    (He likes writing his essays does this chap!) - sorry for all the essays everyone but I hae read a lot about this topic and the background behind it.

    ;@)

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    I think there has been some confusetion. The RIAA does not hack or sneak into your harddrive or download from you to find you. What they do it go to internet providers, they have record of everything you P2P so there is no way protect your self other then to stop sharing.I myself use the ledgal Napster
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    retarded! music should be free for all.
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    (Original post by starry)
    retarded! music should be free for all.
    You are absolutely right!
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    (Original post by starry)
    retarded! music should be free for all.
    No, not totally; the bands also have to live and even the distributing industry. At the moment the CD prices are just ridiculous, if they werent I´d prefer to buy the albums legally anyway, it´s just nicer to have the original disc!
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    (Original post by ben2111)
    No, not totally; the bands also have to live and even the distributing industry. At the moment the CD prices are just ridiculous, if they werent I´d prefer to buy the albums legally anyway, it´s just nicer to have the original disc!
    And the artwork and the lyrics ... if the album is good enough you will probably buy it so I think that is a good thing to have all the music for free anyway.
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    I really dont have time to read through 10 pages of this, so can somebody answer me this:

    If I use kazaa-lite and have sharing disabled, so I am just downloading files, there is no way that they can find files that I have downloaded?

    How can they get my IP from kazaa? Especially if I have sharing disabled?

    I have a dynamic IP, even though I have ADSL, does this mean that they cant pinpoint me through my IP?

    How do they prove that files on my computer have been downloaded and not put onto the computer by CD?
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    Also, is it OK to download porn even though theyre after people with music?
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    (Original post by imasillynarb)
    How do they prove that files on my computer have been downloaded and not put onto the computer by CD?
    I think that they don't and you can claim that you are running a proxy server and someone do that from your computer but you werent.
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    (Original post by imasillynarb)
    Also, is it OK to download porn even though theyre after people with music?
    Maybe because the music industry is so much powerful
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    (Original post by imasillynarb)
    How do they prove that files on my computer have been downloaded and not put onto the computer by CD?
    they will want to see all those cds that you "own" and copied from. otherwise its the same as downloading them. i assume that if you get a notice that you're going to get sued you could just try to borrow the cds from friends so that when they come to check your house you can say that you own them.
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    In reply to the few posts before elpaw's last reply; people cannot begin to comprehend the power of the Internet and how easy it is for an authoratitive organisation such as the RIAA and other global fraud organisations to find out exactly who is downloading what. Every single time a person dials up or connects to their service provider it is logged. Websites a person accesses are logged through the ISP so it isn't a case of "I'll clear my history, cookies and temp internet files out so I'll be alright" because the link has already been made and logged. P2P is quite different to downloading off websites because the designers of P2P programs make the program work through HTTP and other reserved ports so it is very difficult and sometimes impossible to block P2P connections without blocking genuine website access.

    HTTP => Port 80
    P2P => Alternative port (if default is unavailable) is port 80.

    This is how the P2P get around corporate filtering systems such as for schools or big companies as they need to be able to access the HTTP port and other important access ports.

    The website still functions and also the P2P connection is left unharmed.

    A lot of people THINK that just be disabling file sharing through their P2P software it will prevent them being a target of fraud claims. NOT TRUE. As mentioned above an IP address is traversed somewhere in the mass network - otherwise a connection cannot be created. disabling file sharing just reduces considerably the threat YOU pose to the RIAA.

    Share 0 music files -> Low threat to music industry
    Share few music files -> Low threat to music industry
    Share masses of music files -> High threat to music industry

    On the other hand though, people sharing files to others is the only thing that makes P2P what it is now. People have just got to think about what kind of trouble they could possibly get into by sharing their thousands of music tracks to the world.
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