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Ahh, that explains why it's lower. Average is more £38-42k nowadays.

Yeah, banks pay above most other industries, high salaries aren't surprising.
Yeah i know quite a few people who got placements in banks, they all get over double most other placements
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Rigorous academic qualifications? You mean like that C you got in GCSE English Language?
May you kindly post your GCSE results and A-Levels before saying such moronic comments. I'd have you know I got 3A's and a B in my recent mock exam results for A-level, including Maths, Economics, Physics and Chemistry. Maybe if your incompetent brain could handle A-levels, you wouldn't be complaining.
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Hahah clearly, because you know I am right, there is no delusion, you are the one who is deluded you little child, have fun when you get experience in the real world and realise that your A levels mean **** all, also how isnt a degree in Computer Science "academically rigorous"? - you're an idiot :P

btw they are both working in Technical roles, focussing on Cyber Security and Software Engineering - hardly HR or admin
Firstly, list what uni's they study at.
There's no point getting a 1st class degree in CS if you only studied at say, London Metropolitan University. Secondly, you assume that all A-level candidates are only academically focused and nothing else, for instance, I have done a work exp placement at the department of finance at the House of Lords, a 3 week placement at EY, and in this coming Easter, I will complete my EPQ, DofE expedition and have attained a 4 week internship placement at J.P Morgan during next summer. These are just some of the extracurricular activities and outside work I have done, yet you make judgments that A-level students have no experience. You're a joke, have fun living on 30k a year for the rest of your life, when your competitors graduate from Russel group universities and land well paid jobs.
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As long as it takes you to University, I don't see why people would try to look down on it. For example, I got an offer from Lancaster, East Anglia and Kent which are three very good universities to study Law. A lot of the people that went to do a levels actually repeated and I'm going to University this September/October. People should be more humble and less jealous of other people.
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As long as it takes you to University, I don't see why people would try to look down on it. For example, I got an offer from Lancaster, East Anglia and Kent which are three very good universities to study Law. A lot of the people that went to do a levels actually repeated and I'm going to University this September/October. People should be more humble and less jealous of other people.
it's about superiority, not jealously
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it's about superiority, not jealously
I don't see how in any way A levels are superior. If anything, A levels can only take you to University while a Btec can take you to university and it's an actual course that can get you a job.
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Firstly, list what uni's they study at.
There's no point getting a 1st class degree in CS if you only studied at say, London Metropolitan University. Secondly, you assume that all A-level candidates are only academically focused and nothing else, for instance, I have done a work exp placement at the department of finance at the House of Lords, a 3 week placement at EY, and in this coming Easter, I will complete my EPQ, DofE expedition and have attained a 4 week internship placement at J.P Morgan during next summer. These are just some of the extracurricular activities and outside work I have done, yet you make judgments that A-level students have no experience. You're a joke, have fun living on 30k a year for the rest of your life, when your competitors graduate from Russel group universities and land well paid jobs.
1. they both go to Russell Groups (Southampton and Manchester respectively)

2. I am currently studying an MSci degree in Computer Science and go to a top 20 uni and I am certainly not going to be on 30k for the rest of my life (not that there is anything wrong with that) - and if I wanted to I could apply to a bank when I graduate as i am studying a sufficiently numerical degree, and there is also a Finance module that I could take next year but have chosen not to because I want to pursue Cyber security.

3. In a way you're right, I am not currently earning that sort of money yet because I havent applied to any banks, in terms of experience and out of general interest i applied to mostly Research and Development companies, even though the money isnt as good the experience will be better and more interesting IMO

4. Complaining about me making judgements?? you persisted in saying that I was "deluded" because i said BTECs were more employable even after presenting real statistics and 3 sources backing that up as well as informing you that my friends who have come from a BTEC background are in jobs that you said wouldnt ever be possible for a BTEC student - you're still at school and I assume have no experience of doing a BTEC at Level 3? So why is it okay for you to judge me and not for me to judge you? - especially when you have no grounds what so ever as I have countered everything that you have said (which mostly you have ignored); and you still call me deluded - also saying that my friends must be working in HR/Admin because they have done a BTEC, you're ridiculous, they both study Computer Science at good RG unis (also JP Morgan was the other bank that my other friend works at).- so it looks like you could be lowering youreslf to work with former BTEC students next summer, how awful for you

5. And If you get that that experience then great, even so that specifically doesnt make your A levels employable and that is what I was originally focussing on and most A level students dont have any experience at all or dont know what they want to do when they leave sixth form so panic and go to uni still with no real goal, I am so glad I did BTEc as i have been growing and specialising my knowledge since i was 16 and have a really wide range of knowledge about a lot of things in CS and that makes it easier to answer questions in interviews or just generally talk with understanding to professionals, and with BTEC as well as learning skills to go into a specific industry you also have to do a relevant work placement which automatically gives you relevant experience for jobs that you go for in the future, every graduate astyle interview that I have had they have been impressed with my BTEC and the placement that I did through it.
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May you kindly post your GCSE results and A-Levels before saying such moronic comments. I'd have you know I got 3A's and a B in my recent mock exam results for A-level, including Maths, Economics, Physics and Chemistry. Maybe if your incompetent brain could handle A-levels, you wouldn't be complaining.


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Probably because I managed to get a BTEC in work skills or something during GCSE without even doing anything. Literally.
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Firstly, list what uni's they study at.
There's no point getting a 1st class degree in CS if you only studied at say, London Metropolitan University. Secondly, you assume that all A-level candidates are only academically focused and nothing else, for instance, I have done a work exp placement at the department of finance at the House of Lords, a 3 week placement at EY, and in this coming Easter, I will complete my EPQ, DofE expedition and have attained a 4 week internship placement at J.P Morgan during next summer. These are just some of the extracurricular activities and outside work I have done, yet you make judgments that A-level students have no experience. You're a joke, have fun living on 30k a year for the rest of your life, when your competitors graduate from Russel group universities and land well paid jobs.
How did you get the 3 week EY placement? And the JP Morgan one?
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How did you get the 3 week EY placement? And the JP Morgan one?
JPM is probs through the social mobility foundation scheme probs - you have to meet the reqs (free school meals, low progression area etc) for it though... Pretty sure applications have closed.

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They look down at them because they are stuck up

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I don't see how in any way A levels are superior. If anything, A levels can only take you to University while a Btec can take you to university and it's an actual course that can get you a job.
A levels are more academically rigorous and pretty much all the high achieving students do them. It's hard to get into many universities with a Btec as they don't prepare you sufficiently for university studies. Besides, the jobs that you can just get with a btec aren't exactly going to pay very well.
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They look down at them because they are stuck up

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Most a level students aren't stuck up. It's just that they tend to be more academically brilliant and intelligent than Btec students... Not saying that they all are but the majority are.
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JPM is probs through the social mobility foundation scheme probs - you have to meet the reqs (free school meals, low progression area etc) for it though... Pretty sure applications have closed.

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Ok cool... I think I'll stick to applying for insight days
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A levels are more academically rigorous and pretty much all the high achieving students do them. It's hard to get into many universities with a Btec as they don't prepare you sufficiently for university studies. Besides, the jobs that you can just get with a btec aren't exactly going to pay very well.
Wow you're so wrong....

BTECs cover the same content as the A levels in the same subjects, at my college the BTEC and A level Computing courses covered very similar topics and were taught in the same classes for some lessons.

95% of uk universities accept BTEC including most RGs. I'm in the second year of my MSci Computer Science degree at a top 20 uni and doing fine after coming from BTEC, they do prepare you sufficiently! - I speak from experience.

After leaving education (not going to uni) there are a higher % of people who did BTEC who are in Skilled, Professional or Managerial jobs compared to A level (49% vs 45%), most of my friends who left with A levels work in menial jobs such as Supermarkets and Restaurants, whereas a lot of BTEC leavers do Higher Apprenticeships where they get paid a salary as well as usually being sponsored for a degree - I know people with A levels do this too but from my experience BTEC leavers have a better knowledge of the specific industry.
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How is it a delusion?

For people with a graduates who did a BTEC 80% are in employment whereas those who did A levels and a degree its only at 74%.

Also for those who didnt go to university, but are employed in skilled, professional or managerial jobs it is 49% vs 45% in favour of BTECs

What makes A levels employable? they are purely to get into university and mostly dont offer many actual tangible skills relating to a specific industry, and thats fine because they're not intended for that, BTECs directly related to what you need to know to work in a particular sector and are more valued in industry, thats a fact.

As I said before I have secured placement at a really good company and one of the interviewers said that they were impressed by the amount of content that was covered on my BTEC and that it was a good decision that I made to take it instead of A levels as real world practical skills are more valued (after they asked why i did it instead) - thats coming from someone who works in industry (Cyber/Engineering)

I have also heard the same at a previous placement that I did, where I overheard one of the higher managers talking to my line manager asking about my background and whether training me was going to utilise too much of their time, and my line manager replied "its okay, he has a BTEC" - subsequently that manager offered me a permanent job (part-time around my studies) on my second day there - this was also in an IT related role

So they are preferred by employers. I have a friend who got an apprenticeship as a Software Engineer and the first part of the apprenticeship included doing a BTEC level 3 which he already had and got to progress and advance with the job a lot quicker than the people with A levels who spent the first year of their apprenticeship doing the BTEC that they could have done instead of their A levels which were pretty useless as all the initial skills they needed were covered on the BTEC that they could have already done 2+ years previous.

Im guessing you're still at school? typical opinion of someone who hasnt got any real world experience.


Sources for the statistics at the start:

http://www.teachingtimes.com/article...nal-course.htm

http://uk.pearson.com/home/news/2013...-to-succe.html

http://www.stanmore.ac.uk/about-the-...ment-prospects
That's the thing with statistics eh, 80% employed seems impressive but considering that a lot less people do BTECS as compared to a levels it isn't that impressive isn't it.

Eg 5 people doing BTECS in a school and 25 doing a levels

80% BTECS are employed but only 74% who did a levels employed. You see what I mean? Statistics out of context is VERY misleading.

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That's the thing with statistics eh, 80% employed seems impressive but considering that a lot less people do BTECS as compared to a levels it isn't that impressive isn't it.

Eg 5 people doing BTECS in a school and 25 doing a levels

80% BTECS are employed but only 74% who did a levels employed. You see what I mean? Statistics out of context is VERY misleading.

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Your example seems quite drastic in terms of the split, you're saying 83.33% of people do A level and 16.67% of people do BTEC, I think its a lot higher than this.

Take from it what you will but does it not show you? that 4/5 BTEC graduates are in work whereas 3.7/5 of Alevel graduates are, I understand where you are coming from but I'm sure this would scale if the numbers were increased, purely because employers want experience, even for graduate entry level jobs, and with BTEc not only are you doing a whole qualification directly related to work but you also get a placement which as I have said previously automatically gives you relevant experience to put on your CV
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Your example seems quite drastic in terms of the split, you're saying 83.33% of people do A level and 16.67% of people do BTEC, I think its a lot higher than this.

Take from it what you will but does it not show you? that 4/5 BTEC graduates are in work whereas 3.7/5 of Alevel graduates are, I understand where you are coming from but I'm sure this would scale if the numbers were increased, purely because employers want experience, even for graduate entry level jobs, and with BTEc not only are you doing a whole qualification directly related to work but you also get a placement which as I have said previously automatically gives you relevant experience to put on your CV
Yeah, that sounds about right. Most people do A levels as opposed to BTECs. And what sort of experience is important. Surely they aren't going to give you a very good job straight out of BTECs, it'll definitely be menial so that is irrelevant.
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Yeah, that sounds about right. Most people do A levels as opposed to BTECs. *And what sort of experience is important. Surely they aren't going to give you a very good job straight out of BTECs, it'll definitely be menial so that is irrelevant.
Hardly, people from my BTEC course went on to be Software Engineers without going to uni.

*Exactly, with BTEC you have to do a relevant placement to the course

most of my friends who did A levels, of those who didnt go to uni are still working in the part time jobs that they had 3 years ago (except they are full time) in supermarkets, restaurants, hotels etc. getting paid like £7 ph where as most people from BTEC, again of those who didnt go to uni, are working in IT (Software Engineers, Systems Analysts, Consultancy etc. )or Engineering (Mostly Electronic or Mechanical Engineers, although I know one person who got into Aerospace) this is depending on what BTEC they did, and I know a few people who did the Business BTEC at my college who are working as Account Managers, CRMs etc. and one guy working as a Business Intelligence Analyst and getting paid loads!
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