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A blend of classical liberalism and conservatism depending on the issue.
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I'm not sure. Define what you think those terms mean and I'd be able to answer.
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far right checking in
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I'm not sure. Define what you think those terms mean and I'd be able to answer.
Someone who is pro-capitalism, pro constitution (optional), anit-multiculturalism, smaller government etc...


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Someone who is pro-capitalism, pro constitution (optional), anit-multiculturalism, smaller government etc...
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Well, I'm all those things but I'm confident you wouldn't define me as a rightist: I'm economically right wing and socially liberal

I imagine what you are trying to refer to is being socially conservative

So I'd imagine you'd prefer somebody like Ron Paul (Pro life, anti immigration) to Gary Johnson (pro immigration, pro choice)?
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Well, I'm all those things but I'm confident you wouldn't define me as a rightist: I'm economically right wing and socially liberal

I imagine what you are trying to refer to is being socially conservative

So I'd imagine you'd prefer somebody like Ron Paul (Pro life, anti immigration) to Gary Johnson (pro immigration, pro choice)?
But you're anti-monarchy, which is unconstitutional. Better dash out of this thread- you're not so right wing in terms of traditionalism and conservatism. You're more of a socialism funded by capitalism type.
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"Far-right" also checking in. The term "far-right" was constructed after the political pendulum swung to the left in the 20th century.

Certain elements of the far-right e.g. Julius Evola or Enoch Powell are actually middle of the road not extreme. It is quite rational and reasonable for any culture to ask the questions that Enoch Powell asked.



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But you're anti-monarchy, which is unconstitutional. Better dash out of this thread- you're not so right wing in terms of traditionalism and conservatism. You're more of a socialism funded by capitalism type.
He's more or less classically liberal. You don't need to support the monarchy to be on the right (granted i don't want them replaced myself).
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Libertarianism cannot work - it is simply the most extreme form of reactionary idealism.
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But you're anti-monarchy, which is unconstitutional. Better dash out of this thread- you're not so right wing in terms of traditionalism and conservatism. You're more of a socialism funded by capitalism type.
He said constitutionalism was optional, and in any case it doesn't necessarily mean that in order to be right wing you have to be a monarchist surely?

Socialism is equality of outcome- Liberalism is equality of opportunity. Socialist think that there shouldn't be a class system, Liberals (Generally) think that class shouldn't be too much of an impediment to getting to the top and that success should be based on merit rather than being born lucky, but that class systems are generally inevitable.

There is a difference- It would be just as absurd as some Marxist claiming everythin to right of Trotsky was right wing.
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Libertarianism cannot work - it is simply the most extreme form of reactionary idealism.
It depends what you mean by it. I agree that anarcho-capitalism is bull****, but I do think the economy should lean towards libertarianism, not away from it.

As for the thread: I'm economically capitalist, but socially pretty damn liberal. That's not to say I support things like state multiculturalism (which I treat as an infringement on individual liberties and a step in the direction of totalitarianism). I believe in a society which tries not to dictate what people's cultural practices are (just that makes sure they are within the common law), but lets these things develop of their own accord, with each individual treated equally by the state as simply a human being. So I am firmly against things like racism and homophobia, but I regard racial quotas as racist in themselves, so I am not the typical "anti-racist" left-wing campaigner that you might meet at an anti-EDL rally. (I oppose the EDL too, for what it's worth, because I despise uneducated street thugs whatever their ideology).

I think the most right wing part of me is my foreign policy beliefs. I believe that the West should police the parts of the world which cannot police themselves. I value individual freedom much more than national independence. I regard the United Nations as a sham, because it treats dictators as if they legitimately represent entire states, when in my view they are simply criminals of the worst kind. And I believe the economic and cultural failures of the third world are the fault of the third world for not embracing Western principles of freedom and scientific scepticism. (Though unlike the far right, I do believe the third world is perfectly capable of embracing these principles).
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He said constitutionalism was optional, and in any case it doesn't necessarily mean that in order to be right wing you have to be a monarchist surely?

Socialism is equality of outcome- Liberalism is equality of opportunity. Socialist think that there shouldn't be a class system, Liberals (Generally) think that class shouldn't be too much of an impediment to getting to the top and that success should be based on merit rather than being born lucky, but that class systems are generally inevitable.
It's true enough that you do not have to be a traditionalist to be right wing; you could be a classical liberal. However, classical liberalism is still nothing to do with equality of opportunity, which is nothing more than a buzzword for modern politics. Have you ever considered the implications of equality of opportunity are when pushed to the extreme? Equality under the law=/= equality of opportunity.

Classical Liberals and Whigs believed there should never be one absolute power over everybody, a little like how our parliament is now. No strong opposition, a neutered monarchy and a defunct House of Lords.

I suppose you'd put classical liberalism on the right, but at the same time I wouldn't have put you down as one.
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It's true enough that you do not have to be a traditionalist to be right wing; you could be a classical liberal. However, classical liberalism is still nothing to do with equality of opportunity, which is nothing more than a buzzword for modern politics. Have you ever considered the implications of equality of opportunity are when pushed to the extreme? Equality under the law=/= equality of opportunity.

Classical Liberals and Whigs believed there should never be one absolute power over everybody, a little like how our parliament is now. No strong opposition, a neutered monarchy and a defunct House of Lords.

I suppose you'd put classical liberalism on the right, but at the same time I wouldn't have put you down as one.
What do you mean by no strong opposition?

practically everything taken to the extreme doesn't bode well- Its called moderation and knowing when its generally best to leave stuff alone (Which can be clumsily done at times I concede). A powerful monarchy taken to extremes would lead to disaster.

Classical Liberalism is probably the closest coherent ideology that comes near to me; I'd call myself a radical but that just sounds lame...

I'm here BTW:

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Right Wing here:
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It depends what you mean by it. I agree that anarcho-capitalism is bull****, but I do think the economy should lean towards libertarianism, not away from it.

As for the thread: I'm economically capitalist, but socially pretty damn liberal. That's not to say I support things like state multiculturalism (which I treat as an infringement on individual liberties and a step in the direction of totalitarianism). I believe in a society which tries not to dictate what people's cultural practices are (just that makes sure they are within the common law), but lets these things develop of their own accord, with each individual treated equally by the state as simply a human being. So I am firmly against things like racism and homophobia, but I regard racial quotas as racist in themselves, so I am not the typical "anti-racist" left-wing campaigner that you might meet at an anti-EDL rally. (I oppose the EDL too, for what it's worth, because I despise uneducated street thugs whatever their ideology).

I think the most right wing part of me is my foreign policy beliefs. I believe that the West should police the parts of the world which cannot police themselves. I value individual freedom much more than national independence. I regard the United Nations as a sham, because it treats dictators as if they legitimately represent entire states, when in my view they are simply criminals of the worst kind. And I believe the economic and cultural failures of the third world are the fault of the third world for not embracing Western principles of freedom and scientific scepticism. (Though unlike the far right, I do believe the third world is perfectly capable of embracing these principles).
Would you agree that having an active foreign policy in some states means imposing the rule of law was to supplant the reign of force and self-interest.
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Would you agree that having an active foreign policy in some states means imposing the rule of law was to supplant the reign of force and self-interest.
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you're either a libertarian or you're a conservative. you can be right wing economically and be either but you can't be both.
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you're either a libertarian or you're a conservative. you can be right wing economically and be either but you can't be both.
Nonsense.

I'm a conservative because I like to keep traditional things in society, those particular are the guarantors of human liberty, because I am a libertarian.

Conservatism just means one conserves, it doesn't dictate what I like to conserve.


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Libertarianism cannot work - it is simply the most extreme form of reactionary idealism.
A good description which is often used to try and render conservative libertarians and their arguments out of date and thus not worth bothering with.

You may choose to prefer living in a 'modern' society which is governed by the secret police, KGB and gulags.

In that case, I'd rather be an extreme reactionary.


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