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I've yet to find any modern day philosophers who advocate speciesism with valid arguments.

Those who advocate speciesism tend more to be those who have a vested interested in it (for animal testing as an example) and try to argue it is morally excusable.

As far as I can tell all contemporary moral philosophers do not advocate speciesism as a defensible position.

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No-one?

Speciesism is so common in our society, I would expect someone to come here to try and defend it!
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There's not really any serious defence of speciesism out there, as far as I can tell.

As an anti-speciesist, the most common argument I hear for human exceptionalism is that humans are more intelligent and complex than other animals, and so their interests should be put first.

However, this, of course, is not a defence of speciesism, but a defence of classifying organisms according to their perceived intelligence and complexity.

So, when one asks these people whether they would be fine if we treated severely intellectually disabled humans, or human infants, as we do nonhuman animals, they say no, revealing their speciesist tendencies. They don't have a logical defence of speciesism, though, so the argument ends there.
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There's not really any serious defence of speciesism out there, as far as I can tell.

As an anti-speciesist, the most common argument I hear for human exceptionalism is that humans are more intelligent and complex than other animals, and so their interests should be put first.

However, this, of course, is not a defence of speciesism, but a defence of classifying organisms according to their perceived intelligence and complexity.

So, when one asks these people whether they would be fine if we treated severely intellectually disabled humans, or human infants, as we do nonhuman animals, they say no, revealing their speciesist tendencies. They don't have a logical defence of speciesism, though, so the argument ends there.
Yet the majority of people are speciesist in our society .
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Yet the majority of people are speciesist in our society .
Indeed. Like racism and sexism before it, it just seems, to most people, to be the natural way of doing things. It's ingrained from a young age. People are fed meat from when they are born and the meat industry itself is very secretive. We even have euphemisms for animal products: instead of pig flesh, we say bacon or ham or pepperoni; instead of cow flesh, we say beef. All of this contributes to a culture which doesn't question our actions.
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i don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to put our species ahead of others. every other species does the same, i don't get your point.
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Indeed. Like racism and sexism before it, it just seems, to most people, to be the natural way of doing things. It's ingrained from a young age. People are fed meat from when they are born and the meat industry itself is very secretive. We even have euphemisms for animal products: instead of pig flesh, we say bacon or ham or pepperoni; instead of cow flesh, we say beef. All of this contributes to a culture which doesn't question our actions.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3206939

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i don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to put our species ahead of others. every other species does the same, i don't get your point.
I'm asking you to defend speciesism with a rational logical argument.

Saying that it's bad and other animals do it isn't a defence.

That's like one side in a war saying "the other rape and pillage our citizens so we should be allowed to as well!"

Morality is about prescriptions, what should one do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

Please, defend your speciesism.
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I'll be waiting for the day when animals stood up for their rights.
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I'll be waiting for the day when animals stood up for their rights.
Will you also be waiting for the marginal cases?
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I'm asking you to defend speciesism with a rational logical argument.

Saying that it's bad and other animals do it isn't a defence.

That's like one side in a war saying "the other rape and pillage our citizens so we should be allowed to as well!"

Morality is about prescriptions, what should one do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

Please, defend your speciesism.
that's an inordinately crappy strawman for, what i'd imagine, your debating class. i don't have the time right now but i think you should reassess your anti-specialist construct.
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that's an inordinately crappy strawman for, what i'd imagine, your debating class. i don't have the time right now but i think you should reassess your anti-specialist construct.
It is in no way a strawman argument.

You said that we should be allowed to do something because other animals do it as well.

I made a parallel analogy using your logic.

Did you miscommunicate your original thoughts?

And I don't have a 'debating class'. Please reply to the content instead of trying to get out of your so far undefended position.
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Will you also be waiting for the marginal cases?
That should be decided by the family.
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That should be decided by the family.
So the marginal cases are only important indirectly to their families and not in and of themselves?

A person with marginal cases and no family should have no rights then...

So are you happy for a person with marginal cases and no family to be treated what would otherwise be considered badly? Perhaps in a sweatshop? In what would be slave conditions if they were not a member of the marginal cases?
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So the marginal cases are only important indirectly to their families and not in and of themselves?

A person with marginal cases and no family should have no rights then...

So are you happy for a person with marginal cases and no family to be treated what would otherwise be considered badly? Perhaps in a sweatshop? In what would be slave conditions if they were not a member of the marginal cases?

I'd doubt that marginal cases would be of much use.
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Is Singer no longer considered modern?


... god I'm old.
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I'd doubt that marginal cases would be of much use.
And if they could be, what then?
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And if they could be, what then?
You tell me.
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Is Singer no longer considered modern?


... god I'm old.
Singer is anti speciesist
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You tell me.
I'm not the one making that argument, you are, can you not defend your views.
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