Feminism and biology.

Feminist here and I completely agree that men and women are not biologically identical/equal, that is just stupid. That does not mean we cannot be equal though. Men and women both have their own biological strengths and weaknesses. The way I see it is that you're more likely to see a man in a hands on, labour type of work. However, you're more likely to see women in more nurturing type jobs, such as nursing. But our biology does not define us, and we should not ridicule men and women that want to do things that are typically associated with their gender. It is about shattering these gender stereotypes. The biology of our body seems to be an indictor to how we're likely to act, and define what we enjoy, but we all know there anomalies, and many men and women (if not most) possess some qualities that may be typical in the other gender. Referring to the 'man up' phrase, it is not the worst thing in the world, but it does make me cringe when someone says it. Not only is it sexist to women, but is sexist to men.

Since when was trying to stop fighting illegal

what about when feminists say it is sexist to use the term 'man up', because it implies men are stronger than women.

Yes wanting equality between genders is sooo crazy.What next? Equality for every race or sexuality?! Oh wait.

you seem pretty reasonable. Would you say hardline feminists are causing such a stir with nonsensical opinions that it is ditracting from the real issues? Or is it a media hype?

The phrase "man up" is more to do with being mentally strong than physically; it's the idea that someone should "act like a man", based on the stereotypical (and ridiculous) idea that men are logical and do not overreact, whereas women are emotional and flighty.

Personally, I think that when it comes to inequality, there are much bigger issues out there; this is just a minor irritation. However, the general idea behind it is both prevalent and problematic, in two ways;

1) It perpetuates the idea that women are irrational. Obviously this is an unfair generalisation, and is problematic in many ways.

2) It actually also puts pressure on men, and teaches them that to show emotion is to be weak.

Feminists in general are concerned about both of these issues. I understand not wanting to label yourself, and perhaps even feeling left out due to the name of the movement. However, being vehemently anti-feminist, is, in my opinion, counter productive for both genders. Nobody is arguing that men and women are biologically identical. That would be ridiculous. However, there is also vast variation among men and women individually. There are strong men, and there are weak men; to suggest that they should be treated differently, or to make conjectures about what they are like as a person, based on this, is silly.

Mental toughness is an interesting point. I would argue, and you won't like this, that men are inherently mentally tougher than women. From my experience in the work place, and throughout life, I have often found men cope a lot better with mental strain. Furthermore, for some reason I have never met a man with anxiety, and yet I seem to know loads of women who all seem to suffer from it.

The phrase "man up" is more to do with being mentally strong than physically; it's the idea that someone should "act like a man", based on the stereotypical (and ridiculous) idea that men are logical and do not overreact, whereas women are emotional and flighty.

Personally, I think that when it comes to inequality, there are much bigger issues out there; this is just a minor irritation. However, the general idea behind it is both prevalent and problematic, in two ways;

1) It perpetuates the idea that women are irrational. Obviously this is an unfair generalisation, and is problematic in many ways.

2) It actually also puts pressure on men, and teaches them that to show emotion is to be weak.

Feminists in general are concerned about both of these issues. I understand not wanting to label yourself, and perhaps even feeling left out due to the name of the movement. However, being vehemently anti-feminist, is, in my opinion, counter productive for both genders. Nobody is arguing that men and women are biologically identical. That would be ridiculous. However, there is also vast variation among men and women individually. There are strong men, and there are weak men; to suggest that they should be treated differently, or to make conjectures about what they are like as a person, based on this, is silly.

It was in the student house and the police were called because someone heard screaming and the police assumed he was the perpetrator.

That sounds like an illegal arrest to me the Police must have reasonable grounds to arrest you and assuming someone had done it is not good enough I don't think.What made them come to the conclusion it was him?

bravo for 1) completely missing the point of this thread. And 2) having absolutely no relevant input to the discussion

It was in reply to pervious comments about feminists being nutters.Bravo for being an imbecile and congratulations on being able to count to two.

Mental toughness is an interesting point. I would argue, and you won't like this, that men are inherently mentally tougher than women. From my experience in the work place, and throughout life, I have often found men cope a lot better with mental strain. Furthermore, for some reason I have never met a man with anxiety, and yet I seem to know loads of women who all seem to suffer from it.

You could argue that. You would be wrong. Personal experience is not evidence, especially when coloured by confirmation bias. The stereotype tells us that men are mentally strong, so you have likely fit your experiences into that frame of reference. This is something that is absolutely down to the individual.

I would argue that this is a very dangerous, not to mention antiquated, way of thinking. Assuming that men do not suffer from anxiety is exactly the attitude that can cause men who do suffer from mental health issues to feel weak and not seek help. Men are actually more likely to successfully commit suicide than women, and one of the perceived reasons for this is that they do not feel as comfortable reaching out for help. Also, in general, having a mental illness does NOT make you mentally weak. That is the same as calling someone who is physically disabled mentally weak. Just silly.

You could argue that. You would be wrong. Personal experience is not evidence, especially when coloured by confirmation bias. The stereotype tells us that men are mentally strong, so you have likely fit your experiences into that frame of reference. This is something that is absolutely down to the individual.I would argue that this is a very dangerous, not to mention antiquated, way of thinking. Assuming that men do not suffer from anxiety is exactly the attitude that can cause men who do suffer from mental health issues to feel weak and not seek help. Men are actually more likely to successfully commit suicide than women, and one of the perceived reasons for this is that they do not feel as comfortable reaching out for help. Also, in general, having a mental illness does NOT make you mentally weak. That is the same as calling someone who is physically disabled mentally weak. Just silly.

Feminists say men and women are equal, and seem to feel this is true in all areas.

If men and women are truly equal, then biologically speaking they should, on average, have equal strength, equal intelligence etc. However this is not the case. Men and women are genetically designed to be different.

Therefore, men and women can never be equal.

Discuss

While this thread seems to have been derailed in considering the term 'man up' (somewhat cringeworthy, but ultimately, not the worst thing in the world), women lack the equality in society.

And don't tell me that Serena Williams would not be able to compete with some of the Tennis players, in a three or five set game

However, the fact does remain that, because of differences in biology, women are expected to have different roles to men, especially in the patriarchal society we see today. Again, that's wrong. Women shouldn't be excluded from being engineers, or physicists or anything, simply based on biology. Feminism is therefore required to write that wrong.