Who was first to Palestine? Palestinians or Israelis?

Original post by The Clockwork Apple

And you know this because...?
I promise lying isn't making you more correct. 25% of Israel's population is non-Jewish, and, trust me, they don't go 'through hell' to have a house there. I know many non-Jews living in Israel and they are happy there.

The Israel land Administration owns most of the land, they only sell homes to Jews in most areas.

Original post by Dilmurod Dilmu

-COUGH- The ancient kingdom of israel -COUGH-
-COUGH- The ancient kingdom of israel -COUGH-
-COUGH- The ancient kingdom of israel -COUGH-
-COUGH- The ancient kingdom of israel -COUGH-
-COUGH- The ancient kingdom of israel -COUGH-
-COUGH- The ancient kingdom of israel -COUGH-

The Palestinians are only their because of ottomans, and the ottomans because of the fall of rome, and rome owned it because of the fall of the kingdom of israel.

Yes, the land has passed ownership through many powers, while the people have genetically stayed largely the same. There is no archeological or genetical evidence that the people who immigrated to Israel have any connection to the ancient kingdom, it is all a falsehood. Even the religion Ancient Israelites worships was very different to modern Judaism.

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Original post by grandmasterchief

You don't understand. The Israelis living in Israel TODAY have no ties to the Ancient Israel. And even if they did, what kind of logic is that?? If my family owned a house many many years ago, I can't go claim it now just bc it used to belong to my them!!!

I don't think you understand the idea behind a Jewish homeland. Jews have been massacred throughout the centuries in Europe. The idea of returning to our ancient homeland, safe from the dangers we've always faced, was every Jew's hope. We hold the right to have one, the same as there are many countries which declare themselves Islamic or Christian.

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Original post by Durance

The Israel land Administration owns most of the land, they only sell homes to Jews in most areas.

I can assure you this is not true. It is true that Jews, because they can acquire the Israeli passport almost immediately, pay less tax if they're buying their first home. But that's it!

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Original post by The Clockwork Apple

I don't think you understand the idea behind a Jewish homeland. Jews have been massacred throughout the centuries in Europe. The idea of returning to our ancient homeland, safe from the dangers we've always faced, was every Jew's hope. We hold the right to have one, the same as there are many countries which declare themselves Islamic or Christian.

There is no Jewish race, you're just a a White, Asian, or African who worships a different religion. It isn't your homeland, your homeland is whichever country your grandparents come from before Israel was invented.

There is no Christian or Islamic race, just countries where the majority believe in that religion.

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Original post by Durance

There is no Jewish race, you're just a a White, Asian, or African who worships a different religion. It isn't your homeland, your homeland is whichever country your grandparents come from before Israel was invented.

There is no Christian or Islamic race, just countries where the majority believe in that religion.

There is a very big debate over Jews being a race or not. I really do not want to get into that. But I understand what you're saying and consider it a very valid opinion.

Reply 46

grandmasterchief

Original post by The Clockwork Apple

I don't think you understand the idea behind a Jewish homeland. Jews have been massacred throughout the centuries in Europe. The idea of returning to our ancient homeland, safe from the dangers we've always faced, was every Jew's hope. We hold the right to have one, the same as there are many countries which declare themselves Islamic or Christian.

But Judaism is a religion not a race..

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Original post by grandmasterchief

But Judaism is a religion not a race..

That's a very debatable topic.

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Original post by grandmasterchief

But Judaism is a religion not a race..

Original post by Durance

There is no Jewish race, you're just a a White, Asian, or African who worships a different religion. It isn't your homeland, your homeland is whichever country your grandparents come from before Israel was invented.

There is no Christian or Islamic race, just countries where the majority believe in that religion.

Let me just very quickly note that Jews can be considered a race due to sharing genes. Because marriages in Judaism tend to only happen between Jews, there is scientific evidence for shared genes between Jews only. From Wikipedia: "The authors also compared the distribution of haplotypes of Jews from North Africa with Sephardi Jews and Ashkenazi Jews and found a common origin between these groups"

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Original post by The Clockwork Apple

Let me just very quickly note that Jews can be considered a race due to sharing genes. Because marriages in Judaism tend to only happen between Jews, there is scientific evidence for shared genes between Jews only. From Wikipedia: "The authors also compared the distribution of haplotypes of Jews from North Africa with Sephardi Jews and Ashkenazi Jews and found a common origin between these groups"

And if you compare the haplotypes of Jews with all other caucasians you'll find a common oirigin, it means literally nothing

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TheTruthTeller

Original post by Dilmurod Dilmu

Are you confused about history?

Israel exists because of the UN resolutions, and Israel militia.

And on your idiotic point about religion, Israel's government is a very secular government, it in fact tries to keep religion out of politics.

Yeah because its a Jewish state right? Secular for jews sure.

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MaybePossible

Israel has always existed. If not in fact, then in mind. Israel is an idea.

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Politricks

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Original post by MaybePossible

Israel has always existed. If not in fact, then in mind. Israel is an idea.

And not a very good one either

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Enginerd.

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Original post by hdindak

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MaybePossible

Original post by Politricks

And not a very good one either

In a sea of unrest, fallen and surviving dictatorships, we should probably settle for reasonable ideas rather than searching for the elusive good ones.

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Original post by MaybePossible

In a sea of unrest, fallen and surviving dictatorships, we should probably settle for reasonable ideas rather than searching for the elusive good ones.

Israel created most of the wars in the Middle East

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Skip_Snip

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Original post by grandmasterchief

Yet in the last war, Israel's 'self defence' killed 2100 people most of them civilians with a further 9000 injured...Hamas' rockets killed 78 Israelis most of them soldiers...I disagree with many of Hamas' policies including their random rocket fire but you cannot call that self defence. And if you imprison many people in an open air prison for decades (Gaza) where they don't have basic necessities, it's only logical that extremist groups will arise. It's Israel's fault that a group like Hamas exists...

If Hamas know how ineffective their own rockets are, why would they keep firing them? Do they not care about their own citizens?

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NutellaAddiction

Original post by Dilmurod Dilmu

Israel never specifically fired at Civilians, thery fired at suspected Hamas targets, but Hamas uses human shields, and Israel can't just sit there and do nothing can it.

It's Israel's fault for being persecuted for thousands of years and just wanting one country they could peacefully live in?

But the thing is Hamas don't actually use human shields....
Do research please :smile:

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grandmasterchief