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A102 - Constituencies Amendment
Proposed by: Aph
Seconded by: Goldenemblem277, TehFrance, Nebelbon and The Legal Eagle.

Constituencies Amendment

Insert the following into the guidance document under general election:
(12) They will be done via a constituency system
(12.1) The constituency boundaries will be the same as used in the European elections,
(12.2) Each constituency gets 3 seats and;
(12.3) The remaining seats will be handed out to each constituency via the d’Hondt method.
(13) Candidates will be expected to reside in the constituency they represent.
(13.1) Candidates attending university may stand in either where they normally live or where their university is if they are different.
(13.1.1) candidates not normally resident in the UK may stand in any constituency.
(13.2) If the above results in too few candidates for a given region then each party may select one extra person to stand in the problem region who doesn't meet the above requirements.
(14) Votes should be done via a hidden poll with public results.
(14.1) A constituency map should be included in each voting thread to make sure people know which constituency they live in
(14.2) Everyone who votes must declare their constituency in this thread OR;
(14.3) The speaker may opt to create a separate poll for each region.
(14.3.1) If the speaker choses this option they must make sure that no person votes in 2 constituencies.
(14.4) each constituency should have a "spoil ballot" option
Add this to (7) under general election
Day 3: the speaker will collect the number of seats each party can stand for.
Day 3: should there be a constituency which does not have enough members standing the speaker will notify all party leaders that 13.3 of this section is in effect
Day 6: all additional standing should be submitted to the speaker by this date
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Day 7 – The Speaker will post a thread containing ALL manifestos in the Model House Of Commons sub-forum and add a secret poll for 7 days with an option for each candidate/party and an option for “Spoilt Ballot”
With:
Day 7: the speaker will create an election poll(s) as per (14) of this section
in (7) under "general election"
Insert this into by elections in the guidance document:
(7) Should a MP stand down or be removed mid-term then they should be replaced by a member from that constituency or one that is a neighbour
And move all subsequent points down a number.
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Nay. We have pretty much as good as it gets for an online electoral system at the moment.
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Aye, if just for one election it is worth a shot and might drum up more interest.
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This seems very over-complicated. Can all the smaller parties really field 11+ candidates? What happens if you get 20% of the vote everywhere - 0 seats?!
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
This seems very over-complicated. Can all the smaller parties really field 11+ candidates? What happens if you get 20% of the vote everywhere - 0 seats?!
Yes, well we all have waiting lists, other then in the greens so I think so.
and looking ar the widget each party has garunteed seats in places.
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'Nay'.

I don't believe it will generate any additional activity and it complicates a system that works. There's no reason to copy the other place.
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Yes, well we all have waiting lists, other then in the greens so I think so.
and looking ar the widget each party has garunteed seats in places.
Really? Where would the Libertarians and Socialists have safe seats?

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'Nay'.

I don't believe it will generate any additional activity and it complicates a system that works. There's no reason to copy the other place.
Agreed. But the other place??
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Nay!

I do not believe candidates not resident in the UK should have more choice over where they want to stand than candidates resident in the UK. The ideas as a whole contradicts itself here as the justification for having a residence requirement is so candidates have a connection with the area, but having a non-resident stand anywhere means the candidate does not have any attachment to an area. If this amendment was going to be fair, non-residents would not be allowed to stand in any area.

The whole amendment is silly as there is no way of being certain which constituency a candidate lives in or attends university in. I do not see the justification for this unenforceable amendment when the format of this house does not allow constituencies.
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Really? Where would the Libertarians and Socialists have safe seats?



Agreed. But the other place??
The libs are dead... Only one member who retiring at the end of the term...
the socs are safe in the midlands.

and I think he means reddit

the he way I see it is we can try it, see how it works and if is flops get rid of it fast but at least then we can prove to newbies that it doesn't work.
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Nay!

I do not believe candidates not resident in the UK should have more choice over where they want to stand than candidates not resident in the UK.
couldnt see another way...
The whole amendment is silly as there is no way of being certain which constituency a candidate lives in or attends university in.
incorrect, it is quite easy to find out...
I do not see the justification for this unenforceable amendment when the format of this house does not allow constituencies.
this changes the format of the house so I don't see your point.
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The libs are dead... Only one member who retiring at the end of the term...
the socs are safe in the midlands.

and I think he means reddit

the he way I see it is we can try it, see how it works and if is flops get rid of it fast but at least then we can prove to newbies that it doesn't work.
This is a huge election though, coinciding with real life. Is it really the time for a test?!

And Reddit has a MHoC now?!
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
This is a huge election though, coinciding with real life. Is it really the time for a test?!

And Reddit has a MHoC now?!
That's exactly why it's perfect timing!!! We'll have more interest now more then ever so if this fails now it'll never work but this gives the amendment the best shot of working!!!

yep.
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(Original post by Aph)
couldnt see another way...
incorrect, it is quite easy to find out...
this changes the format of the house so I don't see your point.
The ideas as a whole contradicts itself here as the justification for having a residence requirement is so candidates have a connection with the area, but having a non-resident stand anywhere means the candidate does not have any attachment to an area. If this amendment was going to be fair, non-residents would not be allowed to stand in any area. The better way is to not have this amendment.

I actually live in South East England but I am going to tell you I live in South West England, I may be lying to you and it could be the other way around. I think the moderators are able to tell, but as far I know the moderators do not have the time or resources to go through every candidate.

The point is this, the format cannot be changed to support constituencies when there is no easy way of knowing where people live, and the resources do not exist to monitor every voter to see what region they live in. This amendment will create a situation where parties target a region to maximize their seats at the election.

This amendment is a strong nay from me.
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That's exactly why it's perfect timing!!! We'll have more interest now more then ever so if this fails now it'll never work but this gives the amendment the best shot of working!!!

yep, and nebelion is the speaker.
No, you want to test something when it has the least chance of working, because it has to work in every scenario. I think it's far too complex to do that and the good old PR system is fine.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
I actually live in South East England but I am going to tell you I live in South West England, I may be lying to you and it could be the other way around. I think the moderators are able to tell, but as far I know the moderators do not have the time or resources to go through every candidate.
had to cut it down,
we have international members so it is only fair they can stand?but the parties stand them.

also yes the mods can tell but so can the average user! an IP look-up is actually really easy so we can all tell.

The point is this, the format cannot be changed to support constituencies as there is no way of knowing where people live, and there is also the issue of voting to counter, the resources do not exist to monitor every voter to see what region they live in. This amendment will create a situation where parties target a region to maximize their seats at the election.

This amendment is a strong nay from me.
they would have to target a lot of regions, the biggest region would have 6 seats and no party is likely to get more then half. And as for voters generally we'd assume they are being honest unless they double vote.
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(Original post by Saoirse:3)
No, you want to test something when it has the least chance of working, because it has to work in every scenario. I think it's far too complex to do that and the good old PR system is fine.
You don't put a baby on a bike when it's just been born. You give it time to have the best shot of success and if it fails then you can give up.
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