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The_Mighty_Bush
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We will raise the rate of Corporation Tax to 50% because big businesses are doing very well while the poor and unemployed are suffering.

We will ban private schooling as it is an example of elitism and is bad for social mobility.

We introduce a policy of busing in school to make sure that every school is completely integrated and socially representative.

We will double the salaries of public sector workers.

We will ban the use and sale of tobacco.

We will introduce a minimum alcohol price of 90p per unit.

We will raise the minimum wage to £10 an hour for anyone over 21 and make it £8 per for anyone younger.

Austerity will be stopped and we will make it illegal to fire public sector workers.

We will introduce a Tariff on Israeli imports.

We will merge the Treasury and the Bank of England and give the newly created entity 100% control of the monetary system and credit expansion.

Charging interest on loans will be illegal.
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Is this serious? I thought my party was a joke LOL
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Is this serious? I thought my party was a joke LOL
The Progressive Liberals bemoan the state of the public finances and believe the only way to solve the problem is spend money on education and public sector salaries to increase aggregate demand.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
We will raise the rate of Corporation Tax to 50% because big businesses are doing very well while the poor and unemployed are suffering.

We will ban private schooling as it is an example of elitism and is bad for social mobility.

We introduce a policy of busing in school to make sure that every school is completely integrated and socially representative.

We will double the salaries of public sector workers.

We will ban the use and sale of tobacco.

We will introduce a minimum alcohol price of 90p per unit.

We will raise the minimum wage to £10 an hour for anyone over 21 and make it £8 per for anyone younger.

Austerity will be stopped and we will make it illegal to fire public sector workers.

We will introduce a Tariff on Israeli imports.

We will merge the Treasury and the Bank of England and give the newly created entity 100% control of the monetary system and credit expansion.

Charging interest on loans will be illegal.
Not a single one of your policies can reasonably be described as 'liberal'. Perhaps you should consider a more accurate name, such as the 'Overbearing Statist Party'.
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(Original post by Birkenhead)
Not a single one of your policies can reasonably be described as 'liberal'. Perhaps you should consider a more accurate name, such as the 'Overbearing Statist Party'.
I am a liberal in that our policies would liberate millions from poverty.
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I am a liberal in that our policies would liberate millions from poverty.
You're a member of the TSR Tories, so happily I can assure myself that this is a parody.
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how the hell is this "liberal"? "liberal" comes from the word "liberty", and how is a 50% corp. tax (on top of an income tax) liberty-related?!
and what does "progressive" even mean? you can literally call any cause "progressive" if you want things to "progress" one particular way.
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how the hell is this "liberal"? "liberal" comes from the word "liberty", and how is a 50% corp. tax (on top of an income tax) liberty-related?!
and what does "progressive" even mean? you can literally call any cause "progressive" if you want things to "progress" one particular way.
Your definition of "liberty" justifies exploitation of the people by the capitalists. We believe in a more equal and liberal society. In social liberal democracy.

Spending is key to economic growth.
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People who call themselves "progressive" obsess themselves with taking money from the rich, infringing on our freedoms and subsidising designated victim groups.

In other words, they really aren't progressive at all and it's pretty arrogant for them to claim they are.
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(Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
Your definition of "liberty" justifies exploitation of the people by the capitalists. We believe in a more equal and liberal society. In social liberal democracy.

Spending is key to economic growth.
don't even bother using the word liberal if you don't understand what it even means! it's like if I used the term "conservative" to refer to socialism.

and if liberty and responsibility exploits people, then that just means that you're suggesting that people are too dumb to make their own choices, and thus, I assume, you are wanting the government to tax those choices for them via spending - am I right?

spending is the antithesis to growth - explain how it creates growth when eastern europe spent like hell for decades and are now poor as ****
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don't even bother using the word liberal if you don't understand what it even means! it's like if I used the term "conservative" to refer to socialism.

and if liberty and responsibility exploits people, then that just means that you're suggesting that people are too dumb to make their own choices, and thus, I assume, you are wanting the government to tax those choices for them via spending - am I right?

spending is the antithesis to growth - explain how it creates growth when eastern europe spent like hell for decades and are now poor as ****
We are progressive in that we want to progress the country to a new future of social liberal material abundance and close to total equality. Isn't that a future you'd want for your children?

To do this you need to breaking through the spending ceiling and get to the state with near unlimited finance. This will create abudance and equality under the stewardship of the Progressive Liberals.
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To do this you need to breaking through the spending ceiling and get to the state with near unlimited finance.
why not just rename your party the communist party? why the "progressive liberal" party ffs? "communist" is far more accurate. if not communist, why not "unlimited government spending" party? nobody likes ambiguities.
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why not just rename your party the communist party? why the "progressive liberal" party ffs? "communist" is far more accurate. if not communist, why not "unlimited government spending" party? nobody likes ambiguities.
We are not communists though. We believe in social democracy of the centre-left.

The way to achieve unlimited government spending is to give the Treasury Bank 100% control of the supply of money. They can just create more money for the government and inflation will be controlled in various ways.

We believe this will lead to an immense growth of the economy and full employment.
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We are not communists though. We believe in social democracy of the centre-left.

The way to achieve unlimited government spending is to give the Treasury Bank 100% control of the supply of money. They can just create more money for the government and inflation will be controlled in various ways.

We believe this will lead to an immense growth of the economy and full employment.
1) so you want a command-economy? that's either marxist-leninist, or *very* socialist, or perhaps left-wing fascism (of the corporate variety)
2) again, you never answered my question - how does growth boost the economy? it can create full employment for a small amount of time, but eventually the money will simply run out
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1) so you want a command-economy? that's either marxist-leninist, or *very* socialist, or perhaps left-wing fascism (of the corporate variety)
2) again, you never answered my question - how does growth boost the economy? it can create full employment for a small amount of time, but eventually the money will simply run out
1/ No, a mix of government and private sector.
2/ growth boosts the economy and increases tax revenue. It can be sustained and a country that has a sovereign currency can NEVER default.
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1/ No, a mix of government and private sector.
2/ growth boosts the economy and increases tax revenue. It can be sustained and a country that has a sovereign currency can NEVER default.
1) how much government and how much private sector? if gov is more than PS, you are being delusional by calling it a liberal party, as opposed to a socialist party. and if you're suggesting that the government should basically control businesses, then that's left-wing fascism/corporatism
2) how does growth boost the economy, though?! this is like saying "growth grows the economy" - tell me the methods you're referring to and the logic of how gov spending results in a growing economy!
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1) how much government and how much private sector? if gov is more than PS, you are being delusional by calling it a liberal party, as opposed to a socialist party. and if you're suggesting that the government should basically control businesses, then that's left-wing fascism/corporatism
2) how does growth boost the economy, though?! this is like saying "growth grows the economy" - tell me the methods you're referring to and the logic of how gov spending results in a growing economy!
I'd say around 40% as a result of our policies (especially in education and public health) we would have a thriving public and private sector with a very equal society.

Government spending means that public sector workers and the poorest in our society have more money to spend on goods and services which help businesses. We are focused on the demand side of the economy,
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People who call themselves "progressive" obsess themselves with taking money from the rich, infringing on our freedoms and subsidising designated victim groups.

In other words, they really aren't progressive at all and it's pretty arrogant for them to claim they are.
The rich are living it large while poor people have to eat at food banks. This is not an acceptable situation for the Progressive Liberals and will be stopped by minimising iequality over time.

Progressives are the group of freedom of speech, women's rights, gay rights and freedom of religion.

If you aren't a progressive then you can't support these great things without being a hypocrite.
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I'd say around 40% as a result of our policies (especially in education and public health) we would have a thriving public and private sector with a very equal society.
you'd have neither thriving with that amount. and why value equality when you'll simply get everybody doing bad, equally so.

Government spending means that public sector workers and the poorest in our society have more money to spend on goods and services which help businesses. We are focused on the demand side of the economy,



you clearly have no clue about how the economy works.
if poor people "spend" the money, giving it back to the wealthy, surely this just means that the wealthy would get all the money once again? no?; so then the government would tax them more in order to give it to poor people - a) why give it to poor people to make stupid decisions? you're basically telling me the answer to why poor people are poor in this case - *BECAUSE THEY DON'T SAVE THEIR MONEY UP AND SPEND IT RECKLESSLY*. ask most economists - saving is usually more rational than spending - spending is not always good and it can lead to short-termism. and b) if you tax the rich too much, they'll be less enthused to come up with innovative and productive methods of serving consumers and thus, either you'll get an uncompetitive private sector, poor wages or high prices on consumer goods (or a nation reliant on foreign goods/work, which would then result also in high unemployment, which, again, isn't good).
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3 new flagship policies for the Progressive Liberals:

Holocaust denial and climate change denial will both be considered hate speech and illegal

Capital Gains Tax will be raised to 45%

We will nationalise food production and begin the process of weaning the country of its meat obsession
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