"Feminist foreign policy" in shambles as Sweden kisses Saudi Arabia's feet Watch

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http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgr...-saudi-arabia/

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Saudi Arabia withdrew its envoy earlier this month over Swedish criticism of the monarchy’s treatment of women and dissidents.

Sweden’s government announced a “feminist” foreign policy when it took power in September.

Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstroem criticized policies affecting women, who cannot drive cars and need permission from a male guardian for many decisions.

The response from Arab nations was swift. Wallström’s invitation to address a meeting of the Arab League in Cairo on March 9 was canceled. In protest, Saudi Arabia and the UAE recalled their ambassadors from Sweden. Moreover, Saudi Arabia notified Sweden that it has stopped issuing business visas to Swedish nationals and companies, a move that Sweden fears other Arab states will follow.

Wallström has defended herself from criticism from Arab nations, including the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. The minister contends that her comments of Saudi Arabia’s human rights record was not an attack on Islam.

“We have very many Muslims in Sweden. This government will do everything it can to restore our relationship with the Saudi government,” she said. “We intend to use all our diplomatic tools to ensure that we can restore our bilateral relationship.”

Sweden has apologized for the recent offensive remarks by its foreign minister against the laws of Saudi Arabia and hoped for better relations between the two countries.

In a message to King Salman, Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Lofven expressed “deep sorrow and regret over the current crisis in the relations between the two countries” while stressing his government’s keenness to maintain healthy relations between the two countries.
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So you agree we should let women get oppressed and abused then?
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I don't see anything wrong with criticizing Saudi treatment of women. Shame that more Western nations don't do it, and pathetic that Sweden apologized.
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So you agree we should let women get oppressed and abused then?
That's Islamophobic.
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I don't see anything wrong with criticizing Saudi treatment of women. Shame that more Western nations don't do it, and pathetic that Sweden apologized.
Whatever happened to cultural sensitivity, tolerance, having an open mind? Your eurocentricism is blinding you to the beauty of other cultures! Orientalism at its worst. :naughty:
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That's Islamophobic.
Oh no, we have one of these people who makes it their job to attack everything to do with feminism and everything feminist's say even if it makes sense.

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(Original post by Dilmurod Dilmu)
Oh no, we have one of these people who makes it their job to attack everything to do with feminism and everything feminist's say even if it makes sense.

Not at all.

I'm just being tolerant.

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I don't see anything wrong with criticizing Saudi treatment of women. Shame that more Western nations don't do it, and pathetic that Sweden apologized.
The Saudis, Pakistan and the West are on the same side, and have been for some time. On the opposite side are the Eastern nations (China, India, Russia, Iran).
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The Saudis, Pakistan and the West are on the same side, and have been for some time. On the opposite side are the Eastern nations (China, India, Russia, Iran).
I'm well aware of who our "friends" are, but I still find it a shame that we don't use some of our power to try and implement change where it's needed. I understand we may have our hands bound but we can still hope.

(I'm not so sure I'd put India on the opposing side, but that's rather off topic)
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Whatever happened to cultural sensitivity, tolerance, having an open mind? Your eurocentricism is blinding you to the beauty of other cultures! Orientalism at its worst. :naughty:
That's not what orientalism means.
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That's not what orientalism means.
From the first result on google:

'"Orientalism” is a way of seeing that imagines, emphasizes, exaggerates and distorts differences of Arab peoples and cultures as compared to that of Europe and the U.S. It often involves seeing Arab culture as exotic, backward, uncivilized, and at times dangerous.'
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the sentiment is not what's at issue here. It's the stupidity.
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(Original post by 41b)
From the first result on google:

'"Orientalism” is a way of seeing that imagines, emphasizes, exaggerates and distorts differences of Arab peoples and cultures as compared to that of Europe and the U.S. It often involves seeing Arab culture as exotic, backward, uncivilized, and at times dangerous.'
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...sh/orientalism

Your definition is limited.
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(Original post by 41b)
From the first result on google:

'"Orientalism” is a way of seeing that imagines, emphasizes, exaggerates and distorts differences of Arab peoples and cultures as compared to that of Europe and the U.S. It often involves seeing Arab culture as exotic, backward, uncivilized, and at times dangerous.'
The Arab world is not in the Orient. Indonesia - maybe, but whilst a majority Moslem nation, is certainly not an Arab world.
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The Arab world is not in the Orient. Indonesia - maybe, but whilst a majority Moslem nation, is certainly not an Arab world.
In the social science literature, where liberals islamism/feminism/socialism/political violence apologists dominate, Orientalism is a term used to describe what my first post quoted.
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OP thinks he (or she?? ) is being really clever.
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the sentiment is not what's at issue here. It's the stupidity.
I suspect Saudi Arabia had no choice in the matter.

Considering its views on women and feminism, to be admonished by a woman feminist foreign minister openly could have resulted in no other response.

(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
OP thinks he (or she?? ) is being really clever.
She, actually.
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I suspect Saudi Arabia had no choice in the matter.

Considering its views on women and feminism, to be admonished by a woman feminist foreign minister openly could have resulted in no other response.
exactly. they just fundamentally think differently, and have political sway over the west.

Realpolitik *****es. Learn it.
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exactly. they just fundamentally think differently, and have political sway over the west.

Realpolitik *****es. Learn it.
I fail to understand how the Swedes were silly enough to appoint a feminist as foreign minister. They are the least realistic and most ideologically committed group of people around, second only to Islamists.

And this is the country that recently jailed (iirc) a politician for speaking the truth because it is illegal to be offensive, even if what is being said is true.

Swedes might be very smart when it comes to a lot of things but politics is seemingly not their strong suit.
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The Saudis deserve criticism on women's rights and plenty of other things as well...

However they wont get it as the US and co. is far too reliant on their oil and ability to kill Yemeni civilians to do anything about it...
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