Why are SNP so popular is Scotland?

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LordMarmalade
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(Original post by SausageMan)
This stems from the 35 years we have voted for a labour government and most of the time, we recieve a Tory government we didn't vote for.
That is absolute crap.

Scotland voted Labour in 1997, 2001, 2005 and they got Labour governments. In 2010, the Lib Dem / Conservative vote was only 5% or so behind the Labour vote.

This SNP whining that somehow if you don't have your way every time it's not democratic is not only irritating, but massively hypocritical.

In the last Scottish parliamentary elections, a majority of voters voted for parties other than the SNP, and yet they ended up with the SNP in government. So by your reckoning, that is inherently undemocratic
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(Original post by LordMarmalade)
That is absolute crap.

Scotland voted Labour in 1997, 2001, 2005 and they got Labour governments. In 2010, the Lib Dem / Conservative vote was only 5% or so behind the Labour vote.

This SNP whining that somehow if you don't have your way every time it's not democratic is not only irritating, but massively hypocritical.

In the last Scottish parliamentary elections, a majority of voters voted for parties other than the SNP, and yet they ended up with the SNP in government. So by your reckoning, that is inherently undemocratic
Scots have voted for Labour at every Westminster election since 1955, but by the time of the 2015 election will have had Conservative governments they didn’t want for 38 of the last 68 years. Whether you support Labour, the Conservatives, the SNP, the Liberal Democrats or anyone else, that’s not democracy.With all due respect to Wales and Northern Ireland, 85% of the population of the UK lives in England, and that means that in practice England always decides what government everyone else gets. Most of the time (roughly six years in every 10, for the entire modern political era dating back to WW2) that’s been a government Scotland has rejected. We believe Scotland is a country, and therefore should get the governments it votes for every time - not just when it happens to coincide with what a much larger neighbouring country wants. That doesn’t mean it should be ruled by the SNP. If you don’t like the SNP or Alex Salmond, you don’t have to vote for them in an independent Scotland - Labour and the LibDems were in charge for the first eight years of the Scottish Parliament and could be again. But so could brand-new parties that don’t even exist yet - it’s only a few years since nobody thought the SNP would ever win an election.
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So the Scottish are the 'undeserving poor', who don't work hard to try to get out of it, and don't help themselves? How do you work that out, aside from racist generalizations?

What a load of crap. There are poor people who don't try everywhere.
There are poor people who don't try everywhere

Yes, I believe I literally just said that?

Most Scottish are undeserving given the amount that claim some form of benefits and do nothing to better themselves.
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Very few of us Scots think the English are the problem. It's the ****ing tories. :cookie:
Perhaps the Scottish should be a little open minded and see the benefits of the Tories. Maybe Scottish people should work for themselves, rather than trying to claim other peoples money which is basically the point of the SNP/ Labour.
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Perhaps the Scottish should be a little open minded and see the benefits of the Tories. Maybe Scottish people should work for themselves, rather than trying to claim other peoples money which is basically the point of the SNP/ Labour.
I could write paragraphs, but really the word 'oxymoron' sums that phrase up perfectly. :teehee:
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(Original post by SausageMan)
I'm voting SNP, in this general election. Inorder to recieve the powers that were promised during the referendum campaign. "Hate" is a very strong word, I would never contemplate on hating a person just because of where they came from and if I did it would be considered negative discrimination. (Also I support the freedom of movement, so if I did hate some one purely based on where they came from, then I would be rightly considered a hypocrite.)

Its more likely your confusing "hate", with our frustration of the Westminster political system and class. This stems from the 35 years we have voted for a labour government and most of the time, we recieve a Tory government we didn't vote for.

The SNP, are portraying themselves in this election as Scotland's voice. Who will put the needs of Scotland first. To me this seems like a good deal as my intrests will be fully represented in the House of Commons. So if it would make you feel better, I shall apologise for wanting Scotland to be yet more successful.

If what you mean by 'backwards' is more inclined to vote for a party on the left. Then yes, I do like parties that are on the left of the political spectrum. The SNP isn't a perfect political party, (they refused to give prisoners the vote as they were unsure how the public would react) so on some occasions I support policies from the Scottish Greens. Such as there policy of a £10 minimum wage, I feel this is a good policy because if lower earners have more wealth they will be more inclined to spend which could renergies our economy. There by creating growth.

Your misdirecting your frustration, as to devolution. As I campaigned for full independence, inorder to make our own decisions to create our own destiny. It was the unionist parties who promised more powers, the SNP are just holding them to their words.
Well after reading your entire post, you have just reconfirmed my views on the SNP and those who vote for them.

Misguided, confused and bigoted nonsense.
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Because the Scottish hate the English. Always have done.


They are a backwards nation who live of the fruits of the UK and are little more than locusts or parasites.
A lot of hypocrisy here.:rolleyes:
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(Original post by SausageMan)

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A majority of Scots voted for parties other than the SNP in 2011, and yet they got an SNP government.

The SNP are hypocrites. Of course, to avoid addressing that sometimes they just lie, like when Salmond claimed in the independence referendum debate that a majority of Scots had voted SNP in 2011.
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Well after reading your entire post, you have just reconfirmed my views on the SNP and those who vote for them.

Misguided, confused and bigoted nonsense.
SNP supporters are also hypocrites. They seem to be under the impression that if you vote for a party and don't get the outcome you want every time, that's undemocratic.

Of course, a majority of Scots voted for parties other than the SNP in 2011, and yet they got an SNP government. SNP supporters are massively hypocritical on this issue

You are also correct to point out they are confused and bigoted. The SNP is hardly a left-wing party, and yet it has been flooded with left-wing bigots who think that being anti-English somehow makes you progressive (it can't be SNP policy they're supporting... SNP policy is centrist and centre-right)
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(Original post by superwolf)
I could write paragraphs, but really the word 'oxymoron' sums that phrase up perfectly. :teehee:
Don't be so superficial.
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Because the Scottish hate the English. Always have done. They are a very closed minded people and think only in terms of themselves rather than for the entire UK. There was a time when to be defined as a "nationalist" was a dirty term, but in Scotland it is seen as a good thing. They are a backwards nation who live of the fruits of the UK and are little more than locusts or parasites.

Scotland should either have full independence or fully integrate itself onto the UK. No devolution or semi-independence. You are either with us, or out.
Are you for real? :confused:

I have no hatred towards English people whatsoever and I voted yes. What I voted for was the chance to create a progressive, tolerant and equal society - something which is highly unlikely at present in the UK due to the surge in support for the backwards and intolerant UKIP. You can't deny that the majority of people in Scotland have very different political views from the majority of people in England; Scotland is much more left-wing, yet often ends up with a right-wing government.

Your abject hypocrisy is astounding. Learn to respect people and get rid of some of that fervent hatred I would never dream of saying something so prejudiced and disparging towards English people, as we are equal and should always treat each other with respect.
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Don't be so superficial.
You mean don't take your blatherings at face value? Well if they're not a xenophobic, oxymoronic travesty of a political opinion then frankly I'd rather not know what's under those outer layers in case I can't get rid of the smell. :yucky:
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A lot of hypocrisy here.:rolleyes:
I think you need to learn what hypocrisy means.

Saying the Scottish are parasites to the UK does not mean I hate them.
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Well after reading your entire post, you have just reconfirmed my views on the SNP and those who vote for them.

Misguided, confused and bigoted nonsense.
It's a bit rich using the word bigoted when you've already called Scotland a nation of ignorant people and parasites. You also called SNP national socialists earlier on, you're not seriously comparing them to the nazis???
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Are you for real? :confused:

I have no hatred towards English people whatsoever and I voted yes. What I voted for was the chance to create a progressive, tolerant and equal society - something which is highly unlikely at present in the UK due to the surge in support for the backwards and intolerant UKIP. You can't deny that the majority of people in Scotland have very different political views from the majority of people in England; Scotland is much more left-wing, yet often ends up with a right-wing government.

Your abject hypocrisy is astounding. Learn to respect people and get rid of some of that fervent hatred I would never dream of saying something so prejudiced and disparging towards English people, as we are equal and should always treat each other with respect.
Equal.. but separate. Hmmm

I think you need to learn the definition of hypocrisy. Saying that Scotland is a parasite to the UK does not mean I hate the Scottish. Learn to distinguish between a critique and discrimination.

You do hate the English. You have just said the UK does not have a "progressive, tolerant and equal society" which is why you voted to leave.
Don't try to pull wool over my eyes.

Scotland is left wing, because as all left wing people, they like to claim other peoples money and property. Hence the term "parasite".
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(Original post by PowelliteScum :))
Well after reading your entire post, you have just reconfirmed my views on the SNP and those who vote for them.Misguided, confused and bigoted nonsense.
At least I gave you the courtesy of a rebuttal to the points which you brought up.
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You mean don't take your blatherings at face value? Well if they're not a xenophobic, oxymoronic travesty of a political opinion then frankly I'd rather not know what's under those outer layers in case I can't get rid of the smell. :yucky:
Don't be deliberately stupid.
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Most Scottish are undeserving given the amount that claim some form of benefits and do nothing to better themselves.
What proportion do and how does it compare with elsewhere?
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It's a bit rich using the word bigoted when you've already called Scotland a nation of ignorant people and parasites. You also called SNP national socialists earlier on, you're not seriously comparing them to the nazis???
Are the SNP civic nationalists? Are they pretty much socialists?
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Because the Scottish hate the English. Always have done. They are a very closed minded people and think only in terms of themselves rather than for the entire UK. There was a time when to be defined as a "nationalist" was a dirty term, but in Scotland it is seen as a good thing. They are a backwards nation who live of the fruits of the UK and are little more than locusts or parasites.

Scotland should either have full independence or fully integrate itself onto the UK. No devolution or semi-independence. You are either with us, or out.
That is utter nonsense. The Scottish do not hate the English, of course there are some Scottish people who hate English people, but there are also some English people that hate Scottish people. In addition, your crap about Scotland being "a backwards nation" is drivel. Everything you have ranted about is nonsense.
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