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Homosexuality - biological, or a choice?

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Original post by Lalala917362
Ok, let me play devils advocate. We all know these are horrible crimes but if gay is biological.... Does that mean peadophilia and urge to commit rape is biological?


Yes, very likely to be the case; which is why it's a moot argument to begin with. Whether something is natural has nothing to do with whether it is good or whether it should be tolerated.
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Original post by Little Toy Gun
Except being gay is anything but going against nature to begin with. To 'turn straight' is to go against nature.

I don't understand how homophobes could even come up with that argument in the first place.

Lol im no homophobe, in fact one of my friends is gay and i frequently hang out with him - although i dont think he is in the right i wont cut him off.
how is being straight going against nature?
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Original post by Trypsin
No I'm about as straight as a roundabout. Every gay man who fancies Zac Efron or Colton Haynes can vouch for me

I am talking about sexual arousal. studies have shown that the pleasure (sex) centres in your brain do not activate when thinking about the same sex (if your straight)
Original post by ScrewExams
Lol im no homophobe, in fact one of my friends is gay and i frequently hang out with him - although i dont think he is in the right i wont cut him off.
how is being straight going against nature?


Did you even read what I said?

If you had same-sex attraction but avoid it to have only straight sex, it is unnatural. 'Natural' means something that happens with human interference. Changing or suppressing your sexuality is human interference.

Your idea of 'naturalness' is absurd. By your logic, it would be 'natural' for you to stop female lizards from having sex with each other because they don't need it to reproduce; but 'unnatural' to just let them be.
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Original post by *Stefan*
It doesn't require specialist knowledge to know what's going on. Just look around. And it definitely doesn't require you to be gay to understand this.

I've answered the second part as well. I regard paedophilia as biological, like something instilled in one's brain. I don't see any reason why someone would go against the law and society if he could change his tastes (and this is where it is very different to rape: rape doesn't include tastes at all. It's just a means of getting pleasure on the pain of others).


I'm going OT here but it's really hard to talk about this without people being disgusted or ridiculing people who think paedophilia isn't a choice (and by that I mean having sexual feelings towards a child).

You have an interesting take. I'm not 100% with you on it being a purely biological thing - what do you think about people who are abused as children growing up to be paedophiles, as to the best of my knowledge, this is something that happens quite often?
Original post by ScrewExams
if everyone were gay then the human race would be extinct.


If everyone were a catholic priest the human would be extinct. This is a non-argument.

Original post by ScrewExams
i deem it unnatural as biologically speaking, a phallus is not made for an anus.


Nothing biological was 'made for' another thing. Unless you're the maker itself, you cannot seriously claim this as an argument. And if you quote holy scriptures, then you're just going it by your flawed and ancient religious views.

Original post by ScrewExams
but then i can say that having sex is only because of reproduction (the reason we get sexually aroused is because of a psychological need for wanting to pregnate the other sex-reproduction) from a non religious perspective, organisms have to objectives; survival, and reporduction - these are present in every organism. this is why i mentioned biology - people get sexually aroused by different things - i myself am staight and get aorused by female, but gay people may get sexually aroused by other men?


Homosexuality has existed throughout cultures and history. The fact that it remains after series of evolution shows that it has evolutionary advantage. It could of course simply be that the gay genes are in everybody but not always activated, but there have been explanations, such as that 'excess' members of a community who don't reproduce could make sure that there would be sufficient carers.
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Original post by ScrewExams
I am talking about sexual arousal. studies have shown that the pleasure (sex) centres in your brain do not activate when thinking about the same sex (if your straight)


Well I'm not straight am I...
Original post by Straight Quant.
Why are there so many gay threads these days :hmmm:

Anyway, Yes, I think it is a choice too

The male reproductive organ was made to fill the females reproductive organ :yes:

It is like a lock and key.. Like enzyme and substrate. and not induced fit hypothesis :sigh:
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Really? There may be a reason why so many women fake orgasms. Perhaps the penis was made more for the back rather than the front? Maybe that's why fewer men fake orgasms than women? Why is the prostate so much easier to hit than the clitoris or g-spot?
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Original post by Daenerys...
Homosexuality is not genetic.

" Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

Study the rest here: http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/03/08...s-not-genetic/


Are there any other sources? There seem to be a lot more articles that believe that homosexuality IS genetic or is influenced by genes.

After a quick google, there only seems to be one other website that supports your post and it looks like one copy-and-pasted from the other.
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I firmly believe that no sexual feelings are a choice. Why would anyone choose to have far less choice of partners, face prejudice and discrimination (on a regular basis, if you live somewhere that doesn't tolerate "the choice"), even face DEATH penalties if you're outed as homosexual? Why would anyone want that?

Furthermore, there are thousands of species who have homosexual behaviour within them. I've personally met a pair of gay penguins (or maybe they were bi, who knows?). How much more natural can you get?

I think that homosexuality within a species is perfectly normal and is a natural sexual variation, which is a complex combination of both biological and environmental factors. Although I do like the idea of straight, anti-homosexual parents carrying around 'gay genes' that made their child gay, I think it's probably more complicated than that. Just my thoughts, anyway!
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Original post by Dhanihk
I'm going OT here but it's really hard to talk about this without people being disgusted or ridiculing people who think paedophilia isn't a choice (and by that I mean having sexual feelings towards a child).

You have an interesting take. I'm not 100% with you on it being a purely biological thing - what do you think about people who are abused as children growing up to be paedophiles, as to the best of my knowledge, this is something that happens quite often?


You don't get it. Im referring to paedophilia as a feeling or an urge, where older people are attracted to much younger people.

What you are referring to is basically when paedophilia crosses the boundaries of rape: ie when someone decides to have sex with someone under a certain age, who cannot consent on the act.

This is the stark difference between homosexuality/heterosexuality and paedophilic acts. The former are the result of pure consent, whilst the latter is the exact opposite.

Don't forget: paedophilia as a word means "love for youth". What you're referring to is mostly paraphilia.

As for your last point, I actually think it's the exact opposite. If someone is abused when s/he's a child, s/he'll not want to inflict the same pain that s/he had to suffer on others. This is emotional though, and has nothing to do with one's sexuality.
i believe that no one is born gay.Just because you have had homosexual or heterosexual feelings for as long as you can remember, does not mean you were born a homosexual or heterosexual. Some gay people do not choose to be physically attracted to members of their own sex. After all, who among us can turn his/her physical attractions off or on at will? All am saying therefore is that people who are gay by choice have the right to remain that way.Gay people who want to be straight should have the right to change if they can:smile:
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Original post by Little Toy Gun
If everyone were a catholic priest the human would be extinct. This is a non-argument.

fine

[QUOTE=Nothing biological was 'made for' another thing. Unless you're the maker itself, you cannot seriously claim this as an argument. And if you quote holy scriptures, then you're just going it by your flawed and ancient religious views

acutally, it can be analysed objectively- think of it like this; imagine someone from a tribe in afirca (who doesnt wear footwer) comes to the uk and has ever seen footwear before. if he saw and picked up a shoe without ever seeing it before, what would he think? he would look at it and compare it to his feet and think "hmm this seems familiar, i think its designed for my feet"
similarly, scientist have analysed the male and female reproductive organs, and they are made for each, like 2 sets of one piece (pencil sharpner and pencil)



[QUOTE=Homosexuality has existed throughout cultures and history. The fact that it remains after series of evolution shows that it has evolutionary advantage. It could of course simply be that the gay genes are in everybody but not always activated, but there have been explanations, such as that 'excess' members of a community who don't reproduce could make sure that there would be sufficient carers.
just because it exists in nature, that doesnt mean its evolutionary. we cannot generalise the finding is animal studies to human beings, as their evolutionary benefits are complete different to ours (lol even though i don't believe in evolution)
Original post by Straight Quant.
Why are there so many gay threads these days :hmmm:

Anyway, Yes, I think it is a choice too

The male reproductive organ was made to fill the females reproductive organ :yes:

It is like a lock and key.. Like enzyme and substrate. and not induced fit hypothesis :sigh:
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Oh Damn.Someone been revising their biology.I'm loving it.Keep the good work up.Exams get ever closer.
Labels are just used for politics.

This is the real situation.

There is a graph of attraction and points on that graph. The points show varying levels of attraction and different points in your life... No one is 100% straight or gay - no one - not Jesus or Mohammed or me or you.

Clearly sex is 99% in the mind (eg we have stories within our head that are linked to sex). These stories are cultural in context. So "homosexual stories" are ones that are developed with age (and I guess diminish with age too).

So homosexuality is biological (eg its within us all) and its not biological (we make our own sex stories - some kids can get excited when cars go up and down dips in the road - are they "car-ists"? ).
Original post by ScrewExams
I am talking about sexual arousal. studies have shown that the pleasure (sex) centres in your brain do not activate when thinking about the same sex (if your straight)


Wow. That's ground breaking.
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Original post by KingStannis
Wow. That's ground breaking.

well some people just dint get the fact that there is a design for each and every one of us - men are designed for woman. but i dont know if men have been designed for men - that was the purpose of this post
Original post by Daenerys...
Homosexuality is not genetic.

" Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

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At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.
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Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.
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“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%, Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”
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Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”"
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Study the rest here: http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/03/08...s-not-genetic/





I suggest you look into the people you're article quotes. Dr Whitehead is christian writer with very clear bias in his work. Not only that but we have seen through many studies that there is definitely a genetic component. Nobody claims that homosexuality is purely genetic (very few things are) but it cannot be denied that there are ties to genetics.
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Original post by chimmuanya
i believe that no one is born gay.Just because you have had homosexual or heterosexual feelings for as long as you can remember, does not mean you were born a homosexual or heterosexual. Some gay people do not choose to be physically attracted to members of their own sex. After all, who among us can turn his/her physical attractions off or on at will? All am saying therefore is that people who are gay by choice have the right to remain that way.Gay people who want to be straight should have the right to change if they can:smile:


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Original post by Little Toy Gun
Did you even read what I said?

If you had same-sex attraction but avoid it to have only straight sex, it is unnatural. 'Natural' means something that happens with human interference. Changing or suppressing your sexuality is human interference.

Your idea of 'naturalness' is absurd. By your logic, it would be 'natural' for you to stop female lizards from having sex with each other because they don't need it to reproduce; but 'unnatural' to just let them be.

when i say natural, i mean biolically. as i have said a number of times, there is a design behind our reproductive organs. its like having a ps4, and using the controller upside down... Thats not how your supposed to use it!

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