Population explosion and refugee crisis

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Looking at this graph of birth rates you can see that the population explosion in Africa is going to lead to more conflict over resources and hardship.

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The Economist has written about why the lack of contraception is leading to a disaster in Niger. Is it a cultural issue, would more education lead to women being able to use contraception like those in the West do and help get out of poverty?

This perpetual food crisis is compounded by doggedly high fertility rates. With an average of 7.6 children per woman, Niger has the world’s highest rates. Poverty, ignorance and poor access to contraception are contributing factors, as are cultural issues like competition between wives. Men in Niger tend to be polygamous, and local doctors note that their spouses often try to prove their value by outdoing each other in child births. This contributes to Niger having the highest population growth rate on earth. At current projections, the number of inhabitants will more than triple between now and 2050 to 55m.
http://www.economist.com/news/middle...tion-explosion
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There's only so much we can do if people are not prepared to help themselves.
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That's where you're wrong, because this is essentially your new population replacement. Trying to stop the flood of migrants is going to become essentially an exercise in futility.

"Like the Roman, I see the Tiber foaming with much blood". is going to become more true as time goes on.
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Much more agressive measures are needed to stop people breeding in Africa. I'm just not sure what those measures should be.
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Much more agressive measures are needed to stop people breeding in Africa. I'm just not sure what those measures should be.
Says the guy that wants at least 3 children :rolleyes:

Developing a country and access to free contraception and abortion + kicking backwards religion into touch seems to be a recipe for fall in population levels. Well it has in the west anyway.
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Says the guy that wants at least 3 children :rolleyes:
I'm not African. The UK needs a higher birth rate.
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I'm not African. The UK needs a higher birth rate.
You are an Earthling however. It's hypocritical.

We could make up our birth rate via immigration from these countries with far too many people. In fact this country's population is rising despite having low indigenous birth rate. Having more than two children will only contribute to rising global population levels and is irresponsible if you ask me.

Developing a country and access to free contraception and abortion + kicking backwards religion into touch seems to be a recipe for fall in birth rate. Well it has in the west anyway.
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The Economist has written about why the lack of contraception is leading to a disaster in Niger. Is it a cultural issue, would more education lead to women being able to use contraception like those in the West do and help get out of poverty?
The emancipation of women and family planning schemes are essential to reducing fertility rates, but, as the article notes, there are other contributing factors too.

One big factor is poverty itself. If people are in extreme poverty, they'll intentionally have more children to bring in more income. If they didn't have children, the situation would probably be just as bad for them. They're stuck in a poverty trap. The evidence clearly demonstrates that if we reduce poverty rates, we reduce fertility rates. Essentially, this means either restructuring our unfair economic system or more people giving to the most cost-effective charities in the world that help to combat extreme poverty. A mixture of both is likely to be needed.

As for the refugees, if we do need more people in our own countries, then taking in refugees will be beneficial. In addition, immigrants' fertility rates generally tend towards the average fertility rate of their new country, meaning that, overall, immigration can actually reduce global fertility rates.

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Much more agressive measures are needed to stop people breeding in Africa. I'm just not sure what those measures should be.
A global wealth tax to redistribute wealth to those in extreme poverty and more people giving a lot more of their income to cost-effective charities would be the logical aggressive measures to take.

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The UK needs a higher birth rate.
Why?
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You are an Earthling however. It's hypocritical.

We could make up our birth rate via immigration from these countries with far too many people. In fact this country's population is rising despite having low indigenous birth rate. Having more than two children will only contribute to rising global population levels and is irresponsible if you ask me.

Developing a country and access to free contraception and abortion + kicking backwards religion into touch seems to be a recipe for fall in birth rate. Well it has in the west anyway.
Not really. You assume i have an affinity for my fellow humans in such places.

Sure but why we would we want the third world here.
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A global wealth tax to redistribute wealth to those in extreme poverty and more people giving a lot more of their income to cost-effective charities would be the logical aggressive measures to take.

Why?
You want us to give more money to them?

Because i'd like Britain to have a similar ethnic profile in 100 years to that it has today. For that, we need a higher native birth rate.
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Because i'd like Britain to have a similar ethnic profile in 100 years to that it has today. For that, we need a higher native birth rate.
There's no rational justification for wanting Britain to have a similar ethnic profile in 100 years. It seems to me to be based on aesthetics and emotions.

Yes. If we want to reduce the fertility rates, then combatting extreme poverty is essential. And it's not just "we", a global wealth tax would be implemented globally. As for charities, people waste their money all the time and give to causes which are either ineffective or trivial. They also give money to corporations and if they thought about whether they actually need to buy more consumer goods, then they'd realise that they are wasting their money. The whole capitalist system rests upon turning citizens into consumers and communities into shopping malls. Marketing techniques prey on the docility of human beings.

If people who actually want to do good in the world actually diverted their money to cost-effective charities combatting extreme poverty, fertility rates would decrease and they will have reduced suffering.
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Not really. You assume i have an affinity for my fellow humans in such places.

Sure but why we would we want the third world here.
Well you do come out with some pretty racist and xenophobic remarks now and again so I didn't imagine you care that much.

I'm sure you want their money though.

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You want us to give more money to them?

Because i'd like Britain to have a similar ethnic profile in 100 years to that it has today. For that, we need a higher native birth rate.
Yep, there we go. Coincides with your ethnic cleansing remarks about Muslims.

The ethnic profile is pretty irreverent. What matters is that people have respect for stuff like liberal democracies and the all the rights we won. I don't care whether these people are white, black, Asian etc
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Maybe if Africa became more developed instead of holding back their development that the birth rate in those countries would decrease... but they will always be poor and exploited and so the population will increase.
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Well you do come out with some pretty racist and xenophobic remarks now and again so I didn't imagine you care that much.

I'm sure you want their money though.

Yep, there we go. Coincides with your ethnic cleansing remarks about Muslims.
How am i racist or xenophobic.

I don't want them because they are poor, unskilled and from crime ridden and religiously different countries. I'm quite happy for a million Australians or Japanese to turn up.

When have i called for ethnic cleansing. I'd happily sit back and see a genocide of ISIS members, not all Muslims.
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Green party supporter wants open doors to the whole world... (it is the green thing to do)
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How am i racist or xenophobic.

I don't want them because they are poor, unskilled and from crime ridden and religiously different countries. I'm quite happy for a million Australians or Japanese to turn up.

When have i called for ethnic cleansing. I'd happily sit back and see a genocide of ISIS members, not all Muslims.
But when they come over here they get a fresh start, away from all the corruption and greed in Africa.
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How am i racist or xenophobic.

I don't want them because they are poor, unskilled and from crime ridden and religiously different countries.
Why should their wealth matter? Poor migrants come to this country year on year, make a net contribution to the state, and are more likely to set up a business and less likely to be on benefits than the average British person.

Whether or not they are "poor" is irrelevant.
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Well you do come out with some pretty racist and xenophobic remarks now and again so I didn't imagine you care that much.

I'm sure you want their money though.



Yep, there we go. Coincides with your ethnic cleansing remarks about Muslims.

The ethnic profile is pretty irreverent. What matters is that people have respect for stuff like liberal democracies and the all the rights we won. I don't care whether these people are white, black, Asian etc
There's a difference between racialist and racist. Racialism recognizes the importance of ethnicity in driving global conflicts, while racism is the bad one. Its like good aids and bad aids.
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empower women with full control and choice over there bodies and birth rate should fall. Maybe contraception methods could be free worldwide, rather than companies making profit from it. but that idea is really far out there so..
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(Original post by Chi019)
Looking at this graph of birth rates you can see that the population explosion in Africa is going to lead to more conflict over resources and hardship.

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The Economist has written about why the lack of contraception is leading to a disaster in Niger. Is it a cultural issue, would more education lead to women being able to use contraception like those in the West do and help get out of poverty?



http://www.economist.com/news/middle...tion-explosion
tbh- if the west stop depending on stealing their resources this wouldnt be an issue
because their resources will be enough to support their population- however because everyone wants a piece of the pie- of course wars will start as it benefits the external forces e.g. west and iraq war- who got the oil
Africa as a continent should be allowed to sort itself out without interference. Everyone will benefit e.g. if Libya was intact we would have had the migrant issue
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