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HELP!!! Genuine bullying/harrassment - mentor refused to sign my practice document

do any nursing students feel they are being treated unfairly. for example:
1. staff nurse on duty being rude, unfriendly from the moment go.
2. staff nurse deliberatly getting you in trouble.
3. staff nurse/mentor telling lies to academic staff, other nurses. saying you had abonded patient. when they clearly know that you hadn't.
4. not signing your practice placement documents for what ever reason

as a student your in an akward position in regards to bullying...and i personly refuse to be bullied or intimidated. as a result am being failed on my practice placement document. so i been told; will find out after xmas

lies, and more dam lies. nurses are so bitchy. as a man in nursing, i am bullyied and harrassed. i feel like hitting something. why is it when ever you try to do the right thing, you are screwed over by those very people who should have your best interest.

reasons why theyre failing me: mentor FEELS that i haven't mastered basic nursing care. she has a F..... FEELING + has and began to question my motives of why i wanted to become a nurse. saying i dont look right as nurse.

yeah i considered leaving my training, but i still want to have a fair shot at being a nurse. i feel belittled when they speak to me in a condescending manner. yeah theres anger, but am professional...and bigger than that.

so far, what ive seen of nursing, isn't all that gud. nursing is so insular, at times they are hardened to suffering...speaking as some one new the job.



any thoughts would really be appreciated.........am glad its the hoildays..need 2 chill a little.

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Reply 1
Yes - some people are just complete and utter bitches and if they don't like you then that's it - even in the so called 'caring profession'.

Speak to the tutors at the uni, as I was told (this recently happened to me) you won't be the first, you won't be the last. They have supported me, couldn't stop mentor from saying what she liked. I do wish that I had said something earlier and had my mentor changed (from the start I was saying that we didn't get on, but figured I'd put up with it), but I haven't got to work with her again
Reply 2
bornfree
do any nursing students feel they are being treated unfairly. for example:
1. staff nurse on duty being rude, unfriendly from the moment go.
2. staff nurse deliberatly getting you in trouble.
3. staff nurse/mentor telling lies to academic staff, other nurses. saying you had abonded patient. when they clearly know that you hadn't.
4. not signing your practice placement documents for what ever reason

as a student your in an akward position in regards to bullying...and i personly refuse to be bullied or intimidated. as a result am being failed on my practice placement document. so i been told; will find out after xmas

lies, and more dam lies. nurses are so bitchy. as a man in nursing, i am bullyied and harrassed. i feel like hitting something. why is it when ever you try to do the right thing, you are screwed over by those very people who should have your best interest.

reasons why theyre failing me: mentor FEELS that i haven't mastered basic nursing care. she has a F..... FEELING + has and began to question my motives of why i wanted to become a nurse. saying i dont look right as nurse.

yeah i considered leaving my training, but i still want to have a fair shot at being a nurse. i feel belittled when they speak to me in a condescending manner. yeah theres anger, but am professional...and bigger than that.

so far, what ive seen of nursing, isn't all that gud. nursing is so insular, at times they are hardened to suffering...speaking as some one new the job.



any thoughts would really be appreciated.........am glad its the hoildays..need 2 chill a little.






As someone whose mentor wouldnt sign their practice document either, I now have to attend a fitness for practice hearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. What you have been through is undeniable bullying!!!!. Reading your post had me fuming and if I didnt think I would get chucked off this forum, I would swear very badly. I cannot belive this mentor of yours, she sounds such a bitch. I agree with you about nursing being bitchy too, and not to mention judgemental too, and whats all the rubbish saying she questions your decision to be a nurse and that you dont look right as a nurse!!!!!!, wtf................. Have you told anyone else about whats been going on ??, are you still on placement???, you really need help with this, have you thought about going to the Student union, the can represent you at any disciplinary that you may have to attend.. Would you believe that at my final assessment, the practice placement manager and the ward manager ( also a complete bitch) and my mentor were there, that bloody mentor even said that she thought I have an undiagnosed learning dificulty because I couldnt seem to get to grips with my placment document and that I was also unresponsive to learning!!!!!.

Sorry for my rant............just wanted to let you know you are not alone, feel free to pm me if you want to talk........Really hope everything works out for you.


PS, forgot to ask , was this your first placment??? did you have any care experience prior to starting uni??
Reply 3
bornfree
do any nursing students feel they are being treated unfairly. for example:
1. staff nurse on duty being rude, unfriendly from the moment go.
2. staff nurse deliberatly getting you in trouble.
3. staff nurse/mentor telling lies to academic staff, other nurses. saying you had abonded patient. when they clearly know that you hadn't.
4. not signing your practice placement documents for what ever reason

as a student your in an akward position in regards to bullying...and i personly refuse to be bullied or intimidated. as a result am being failed on my practice placement document. so i been told; will find out after xmas

lies, and more dam lies. nurses are so bitchy. as a man in nursing, i am bullyied and harrassed. i feel like hitting something. why is it when ever you try to do the right thing, you are screwed over by those very people who should have your best interest.

reasons why theyre failing me: mentor FEELS that i haven't mastered basic nursing care. she has a F..... FEELING + has and began to question my motives of why i wanted to become a nurse. saying i dont look right as nurse.

yeah i considered leaving my training, but i still want to have a fair shot at being a nurse. i feel belittled when they speak to me in a condescending manner. yeah theres anger, but am professional...and bigger than that.

so far, what ive seen of nursing, isn't all that gud. nursing is so insular, at times they are hardened to suffering...speaking as some one new the job.



any thoughts would really be appreciated.........am glad its the hoildays..need 2 chill a little.



I really can understand what you mean. Its awful when people spread lies about you I've found its normally due to they crap at their job. I am working as an NA at moment (start my training soon) and this one staff nurse said I was slow which is a complete lie, another very experienced nurse said I am not slow. It just makes you question yourself. Basically where I am at the moment the staff nurse takes 3-4 hours to do tablets for 15 patients, hardly ever any IV's or anything just tablets! We have to get everyone washed and dressed before going to breakfast, the patients are very slow and excessively demanding, sometimes abusive and often complain or cry. There is few staff that actually the patients respect, I've had some even say I want to be discharged when you leave and say I will make a great nurse, which is nice and I think as long as your patients are mostly happy then I don't feel guilty and let it go over my head. I have worked on other wards which are much more acute and I know I am good at my job and hard working, dedicated and no way slow! :smile:
Reply 4
My exerience has made me really consider my future, there was a point I would have gladly given it up...........not thinking that so much now. The thing with me is that although my mentor wouldnt sign my practice documents, she did say I have good qualities, ie, empathy, good communication skills, good with patients etc......... so I dont know what will happen. If these mentors are crap at their job, why are they allowed to do it?, and me almost stopped before I have started...........not one patient complained about me ( they all spoke very highly of me infact), yet this bloody mentor had plenty of complaints made about her by patients........its not fair:mad: :mad:
Reply 5
jinglepupskye
I've been thinking about your post for a while now and I have to say that you come across as very angry and aggressive. Now you could just be venting here and are not like that in real life or you could be showing clearly why your mentor is feeling wary about you.

As a man, it is very easy for you to come across as overbearing and cocksure and I'm sure that many nurses would find that difficult to deal with, especially as you are in an inferior position to them. You find it condescending when the staff speak to you. So far as they are concerned, you are a student, effectively the lowest of the low, and you probably know nothing. Their job is to see that you do the things that you are told to do in the correct way. And the correct way is the way they tell you to do it.

As a student you must expect to be dumped on by the nursing staff. It comes with the territory. Getting offended and disgruntled is a waste of time and will always backfire on you, as you have already found. Are you absolutely sure that you are being bullied or are you interpreting perfectly normal requests as harrassment? My advice would be to smile sweetly, apologise for your faults and promise to improve your skills, thank them kindly for dumping on you and then go home and take it out on the dog!

You must not appear aggressive or defensive when you next speak to your tutors and show that you still want to be a nurse. You have no choice if you really want to be a nurse.

Once you are qualified, then it is open season, however!


You call that advice! Whatever a person does in such a situation you will get blamed! Mentors are staff nurses, from experience from working with them they don't always do things properly, if you are looking for the idealistic methods then I don't see how the mentor situation really helps, I would imagine placement gives you a chance to practice your skills under supervision it does not mean what the mentor is 100% true or the staff nurse might also be lacking in skills! For your information the few male nurses I know are actually in general more clinically skilled than their female equivalent.
supreme
You call that advice! Whatever a person does in such a situation you will get blamed! Mentors are staff nurses, from experience from working with them they don't always do things properly, if you are looking for the idealistic methods then I don't see how the mentor situation really helps, I would imagine placement gives you a chance to practice your skills under supervision it does not mean what the mentor is 100% true or the staff nurse might also be lacking in skills! For your information the few male nurses I know are actually in general more clinically skilled than their female equivalent.

That's my point. The OP is in a no win situation. If he kicks up a stink then that would act as verification of what the mentor is saying about him. He has no choice other than to to just smile and play nice if he wants to continue his training. That's the way it is in the real world.

As for clinical skills it is ridiculous (and sexist) to say all male nurses have better skills than female nurses. Regarding the staff nurse/mentor's own skills I would quote a very old saying 'do as I say, not as I do.' In the real world (again) there are good and bad male and female nurses. In either case it is not the student's responsibility to decide whether their mentor is a good or bad nurse. It is their job to do as they told, when they are told. If they have a problem with their mentor they should take it up with the Charge nurse or their supervisor from university.
Reply 7
jinglepupskye
That's my point. The OP is in a no win situation. If he kicks up a stink then that would act as verification of what the mentor is saying about him. He has no choice other than to to just smile and play nice if he wants to continue his training. That's the way it is in the real world.

As for clinical skills it is ridiculous (and sexist) to say all male nurses have better skills than female nurses. Regarding the staff nurse/mentor's own skills I would quote a very old saying 'do as I say, not as I do.' In the real world (again) there are good and bad male and female nurses. In either case it is not the student's responsibility to decide whether their mentor is a good or bad nurse. It is their job to do as they told, when they are told. If they have a problem with their mentor they should take it up with the Charge nurse or their supervisor from university.


First of all I didn't say all male nurses! I consider your comment of "As a man, it is very easy for you to come across as overbearing and cocksure and I'm sure that many nurses would find that difficult to deal with" is a very sexist false statement.

You seem to have an attitude about nursing in particular with regard to males in the profession, its dominated by bitchy back biting females at all levels so perhaps some diversity in the profession might sort out of the management and the aggressive staff nurses, that are hated by their patients (rightly or wrongly) and can't work effectively as a team.
supreme
First of all I didn't say all male nurses! I consider your comment of "As a man, it is very easy for you to come across as overbearing and cocksure and I'm sure that many nurses would find that difficult to deal with" is a very sexist false statement.

You seem to have an attitude about nursing in particular with regard to males in the profession, its dominated by bitchy back biting females at all levels so perhaps some diversity in the profession might sort out of the management and the aggressive staff nurses, that are hated by their patients (rightly or wrongly) and can't work effectively as a team.



My point was that men are generally physically bigger and stronger than women and it can be intimidating to have one of them glowering at you because you have asked them to do something. That's all.

I advised the OP not to get on his high horse when he gets back to college so that he doesn't look bad to his tutors. That's all.

Or he could do what you are doing and go in all guns blazing, slagging off his mentor and calling everyone a bad nurse. I'm sure that it will be a great comfort to him when he is kicked off his course, that at least he made his point!

If there is any attitude here I think it is yours. I have no problem with males nursing, why would I? The only male nurses I have met was when I was ill and in hospital for several weeks, and they were all charming, lovely men. You seem to have a problem with women though.
Reply 9
jinglepupskye
My point was that men are generally physically bigger and stronger than women and it can be intimidating to have one of them glowering at you because you have asked them to do something. That's all.


You are making assumptions again. It can also be intimidating to have some hormonal woman making bitchy comments about you due to them feeling inadequate or whatever they're pathetic excuse is.

jinglepupskye
Or he could do what you are doing and go in all guns blazing, slagging off his mentor and calling everyone a bad nurse. I'm sure that it will be a great comfort to him when he is kicked off his course, that at least he made his point!


If you actually read what I said I did not mean or say that. Just because I dare argue with the rubbish you are saying.

jinglepupskye

If there is any attitude here I think it is yours. I have no problem with males nursing, why would I? The only male nurses I have met was when I was ill and in hospital for several weeks, and they were all charming, lovely men. You seem to have a problem with women though.


I have no problem with female nurses in particular, I have problems with bitchy people regardless of their sex its unprofessional. You are no doubt one of these types! Instead of having sympathy with the person posting your are just shouting your mouth off, how does this benefit anyone?
supreme
You are making assumptions again. It can also be intimidating to have some hormonal woman making bitchy comments about you due to them feeling inadequate or whatever they're pathetic excuse is.

If you actually read what I said I did not mean or say that. Just because I dare argue with the rubbish you are saying.

I have no problem with female nurses in particular, I have problems with bitchy people regardless of their sex its unprofessional. You are no doubt one of these types! Instead of having sympathy with the person posting your are just shouting your mouth off, how does this benefit anyone?


I am not a nurse - thank god! Neither am I a bitchy person. So much for me making assumptions. You should be aware that there are terms and conditions regarding the posts on these forums and you getting dangerously close to infringing them.

I made a lighthearted post warning the op to take care when he met the university staff and not to do anything that might make him look bad and cause him to be thrown off his course.

In my view this was better advice than slating all female nurses as backstabbing bitches - as you did.

And I would also say that there are two sides to every problem. We've heard the op's version of events, where is the mentors? Just because he is posting on here doesn't mean that he is in the right. Nor is he in the right just because he is a man and you want him to join in your crusade against nasty women.
It is ironic that this post has developed into personal argument which is basicially what seems to have happened to the OP.

People think that nursing is just like any other career where you can be intelligent and get on but it needs much more than that, it needs emotional intelligence.

You are dealing with people at their lowest physical and psychological depths who may be facing life changing or life threatening events AND the people who are caring for them who face these challenges every day.

You can't afford to take things personally in nursing, either from patients or staff. If you want to stay in the profession, you have to put on a face and deal with all the **** (physical and mental!) that you are dealt every day in a calm and rational manner. It is a hard lesson to learn in nursing, particularly when most students are young and hot-headed and are out to change the world.

And yes, I AM a nurse (and latterly at the top of my profession even though a nursing officer once told me I would not make a nurse as long as I lived!)
Reply 12
OK.....I've been reading this thread with interest. Inittially I wasn't sure what advise I was going to give you so its been interesting to read the posts that have been given.

I agree with Jinglepupskye in that you do sound very angry and I can understand why you feel the way you do. However, sometimes when we're so angry it can cloud our judgeent about the whole situation and often make circumstances look much worse than they actually are. At the end of the day there are going to be hundreds of people that you don't get on with and lots of things you don't agree with........as a stduent you're in avery difficult situation, yes you can speak up but more than anything you're likely not to get listened to. I had a simialr problem in one circumstance when I was on my last placement. something I dind't agree with happened and I voiced my opinion. My opinion wasn't appreciated much and I just had to elarn to deal with it.

If you truely feel that you were being victimsied and bullied by other members of staff then this forum should not have been your first port of call to make your complaint. You should have bought it up with your mentor and explained how you feel. Your post makes me feel that you are a little hot tempered and this is something you need to control. In such a demanding and emotion einvronment its very easy to let emotions get the better of you and take everything personally. If after talking to your mentor you were still concerned then you should have taken it upw ith someone at your university. At Georges we have a mentor actually at our palcement and w'ere allocated a member of physio staff at the university who coe and visit and see how were going..........you go to them if you have problems with exactly this type of thing and they're there to help you sort it out.

If you mentor feels you haven't mastered basic nursing care, then not meaning to be funny then you probably haven;t. Mentors are experienced in taking students and know what to look for in those that are competent and able. You shouldn't be here bitching about your experiences, you should be making time for you and mentor to sit down and talk things out. Unfortuately bitchy and judgemental people are evrywhere, not just in nursing and unfortunately if you can't deal with that then you're going to struggle in any job, especially if your automatic reaction is to wnat to punch someone!

What I thinks happened here is that you are obviously upset by your mentor not signing your form and I can understand why this would be the case, but I think that you're so angry that you are unable to sit down and honestly relfect on your experience, your behaviour and your general demeanour...reflection is a big thing in physiotherapy and our uni really pushes us to reflect on what we've learnt and that includes our own behaviour. Sometimes it is easy for us to think that we;re saying something in a nice and obvious manner but things can often be misinterpreted using tone etc by other people.

My advice to you would be to sit down and think HONESTLY about you, your attitud, your placement experience. This only works if you're truly honest. If you're still having trouble get together with your metnor and discuss it (although this si what yu shoudl have done already) and maybe someone at the university.

If you can't learn to reflect on your own behaviour you're going to struggle with palcements and nursing life in general as this doesn't stop once you're qualified.
Reply 13
I too have watched this thread with some interest and feel that I`d like to make a point.Bullying is not acceptable. It doesnt matter where you are or what you are doing. Male or female, student or consultant.Yes you learn to take advice about your strenghs and weakness, within both placement and university, but that is constructive criticism. I for one would not allow anybody to treat me with disrespect, and I wouldnt give a stuff who there were.I am training to be a professional and I expect to be trained by professionals.

To the OP, I hope that things have being sorted out and that this hasnt put you off training. Your next placement may be completely different and a real success. I personally didnt think you sounded any more angrier than I probably would have sounded If I had been in your situation and this is a forum, where people sometimes say things that they wouldnt dream of saying (or doing:cool: )in real life.xx
Reply 14
Firstly thank you kindly for all your advice.

Am not angry or aggressive individual, I was venting my frustration in very unsophisticated manner, therefore I apologise. I know and understand that anger can cloud judgement. I also don’t have a problem being in an inferior position, I can work well with both young and old, male or female etc.

I agree it is really pathetic that my mentor did question my decision to be a nurse and that she thinks I don’t look right as a nurse! What’s next, she doesn’t like the way I talk or the look on my face. I’ve told this to a senior staff members at uni who both agree that no one has the right to ask me this. After all I have already passed my interview at the selection stage..

Jinglepupskye your advice to smile sweetly, apologise for your faults and promise to improve my skills, thank them kindly for dumping on you and then go home and take it out on the dog! ARE YOU FOR REAL! I don’t take crap from no one, am not going to start now. Also if I have a problem I don’t take it out on an innocent.

However I agree that I must not appear aggressive or defensive when I next speak to my tutors and show that I still want to be a nurse. You’re right I have no choice if I really want to be a nurse – which I do!

Regretfully Jinglepupskye, if am honest you do seem to come across has having a chip on your shoulders. You’re taking the comments to personally.

Supreme has a point.

“You seem to have an attitude about nursing in particular with regard to males in the profession, its dominated by bitchy back biting females at all levels so perhaps some diversity in the profession might sort out of the management and the aggressive staff nurses, that are hated by their patients (rightly or wrongly) and can't work effectively as a team”

There are two sides to every problem, but as a student you’re in limbo. Pinkrosebud I can accept that I don’t know everything and I do as a matter of fact have the emotional intelligence and the integrity to take it like an adult! Like many young people I also have the moral courage and fortitude to speak up against injustice, tyranny and corruption. Unlike many of our elders who just turn a blind eye.

Someone told me once that if I am to make a difference in the world, am going to have to go against the grain. It’s not going to be easy, but nothing in life worth fighting for ever is. Sometimes a man’s got to do what a mans got to do! I think Gandi said that or was it Clint. :wink:

If my mentor feels that I haven't mastered basic nursing care, then fair enough. But not signing outcomes which aren’t asking that is a joke. Not being funny basic nursing care isn’t rocket science. You wouldn’t expect a doctor to spend a whole year or even ten weeks learning a simple concept such basic nursing care. So get real! That does offend me…That’s insults my intelligence.

The problem is mentor not making time to sit down and talk things out, especially given that the role of a mentor is to guide and support students.

It is ironic that this post has developed into personal argument or shall I say a misunderstanding between some of us.
Take care, and god bless!!
Reply 15
Yoxen
I too have watched this thread with some interest and feel that I`d like to make a point.Bullying is not acceptable. It doesnt matter where you are or what you are doing. Male or female, student or consultant.Yes you learn to take advice about your strenghs and weakness, within both placement and university, but that is constructive criticism. I for one would not allow anybody to treat me with disrespect, and I wouldnt give a stuff who there were.I am training to be a professional and I expect to be trained by professionals.

To the OP, I hope that things have being sorted out and that this hasnt put you off training. Your next placement may be completely different and a real success. I personally didnt think you sounded any more angrier than I probably would have sounded If I had been in your situation and this is a forum, where people sometimes say things that they wouldnt dream of saying (or doing:cool: )in real life.xx


At last someone with some common sense on this site.

Some of my comments have been misintereperated. However its unacceptable for people to say just because of your age, you are either unable to control your temper or should become some doormat or are unable to tell the truth or unable to make a decision. A professional nurse in real life its accountable for their actions and will get criticised by other nurses, doctors, relatives etc...... I have learnt the best thing to do in these situations is to gather evidence, do not go on the attack or criticise anyone until you can prove it. Then its time to make comments.

I wish the original poster all the luck I understand the distress these situations put people in.
supreme
At last someone with some common sense on this site.

Some of my comments have been misintereperated. However its unacceptable for people to say just because of your age, you are either unable to control your temper or should become some doormat or are unable to tell the truth or unable to make a decision. A professional nurse in real life its accountable for their actions and will get criticised by other nurses, doctors, relatives etc...... I have learnt the best thing to do in these situations is to gather evidence, do not go on the attack or criticise anyone until you can prove it. Then its time to make comments.

I wish the original poster all the luck I understand the distress these situations put people in.

It's a pity you didn't put it this way in your earlier posts.

And you still miss the point that it is not about age or sex, it is about professional status in nursing. A qualified nurse's opinion and judgement will in almost every circumstance be considered superior to that of a student, particularly one in the early stages of training.

I have highlighted the part of your post which is exactly what I said in my first posting. Basically, tread softly and remember that the mentor is not the one on trial. The student is.
Reply 17
jinglepupskye
It's a pity you didn't put it this way in your earlier posts.

And you still miss the point that it is not about age or sex, it is about professional status in nursing. A qualified nurse's opinion and judgement will in almost every circumstance be considered superior to that of a student, particularly one in the early stages of training.

I have highlighted the part of your post which is exactly what I said in my first posting. Basically, tread softly and remember that the mentor is not the one on trial. The student is.


A qualified nurse is still bound by management or senior nurses who tend to be in charge.

You refer to the student on trial, the RN is accountable for her actions more so than a student. If there is a situation it needs sorting out particularly in this case the damage has been already done. Just because someone is RN should not mean they can get away with things, providing the evidence is there, its foolish to bow down and take it.
i can see that this is an old post, but having read it now, i feel i must comment.

i am a student nurse myself!

(1) If your mentor had ANY issues at all with your skills in the ward (i.e basic nursing care) then it is their duty as a nursing mentor to a, show you what to do, b, supervise you until you are deemed comeptent, and c, if that is unsuccesful and he/she MUST contact the university in the first few weeks of placement and get advice/let thm know there are problems and that they feel they will not be able to sign off your documents. at this stage the university should be coming in and trying to help you both find a way around the situation.

(2) you do not appear to me as being an angry person, simply YET ANOTHER student nurse who is feeling frustrated, upset and dissappointed in the system that we are being trained in. i know too well what nursing mentors can be like. often if they had bad expericences throughout their training, they want you to feel that aswell. -ive seen it so many times, and heard them say it!!

(3) For those of you on here who are not nurses/student nurses, although you are trying to help, i KNOW you just do not understand the situation!!

I am coming to the end of my training now, and i am so relieved!!

I have PROMISED myself that i WILL NOT be one of those mentors.


Note to any other studet nurses in this situation:

(1) Ask to speak to your mentor in pivate about any problems that arise. easier said than done, i know

(2) Contact the Uni straight away and alert them/ask someone to come out

(3) just think.. i will not be like this to my students and that it will all be over soon enough!!

sorry to hear you had a hard time dude!! xx
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