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So for the last 5 years all we've heard to justify everything else the conservatives have done is that they've been doing it 'for the economy'. Student fess trebled? It helped the economy. Bedroom tax? Helped the economy. Gove? Probably helped the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/official-voters-hurting-george-osborne-spin-ons-growth?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Well, the growth rate of the UK has decreased since the coalition started. GDP per head has decreased. Standards of living have been cut, and state wages were frozen for most of this coalition (hint: that's not a good thing).

So, can someone tell me where the f*** they get the balls to tell the public that Labour, SNP and everyone else will trash the economy? Labour did have a recession, so did the ENTIRE Western economy. And it was starting to recover on its own. The current government has done absolutely nothing good.
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They sell *******s because again and again the general public have shown themselves willing to buy in bulk. Can you really blame the Tories?
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How is it not good that state wages have frozen? They earn more than people in the private sector on average and its people in the private sector that have to pay for the wages of those in the public sector.

"In April 2013 it is estimated that on average the pay of the public sector was between 2.2% and 3.1% higher after adjusting for the different jobs and personal characteristics of the workers"

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/p...arch-2014.html
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How is it not good that state wages have frozen? They earn more than people in the private sector on average and its people in the private sector that have to pay for the wages of those in the public sector.

"In April 2013 it is estimated that on average the pay of the public sector was between 2.2% and 3.1% higher after adjusting for the different jobs and personal characteristics of the workers"

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/p...arch-2014.html
State wages haven't been frozen. I earn 65% more than 5 years ago.
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(Original post by lerjj)
So for the last 5 years all we've heard to justify everything else the conservatives have done is that they've been doing it 'for the economy'. Student fess trebled? It helped the economy. Bedroom tax? Helped the economy. Gove? Probably helped the economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/official-voters-hurting-george-osborne-spin-ons-growth?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Well, the growth rate of the UK has decreased since the coalition started. GDP per head has decreased. Standards of living have been cut, and state wages were frozen for most of this coalition (hint: that's not a good thing).

So, can someone tell me where the f*** they get the balls to tell the public that Labour, SNP and everyone else will trash the economy? Labour did have a recession, so did the ENTIRE Western economy. And it was starting to recover on its own. The current government has done absolutely nothing good.
State wages weren't frozen at any point for 90%+ of public sector workers ...
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State wages haven't been frozen. I earn 65% more than 5 years ago.
I'm talking about averages. Obviously some public sector employees will be earning more now than before. Perhaps "frozen" would be the wrong terminology but I was replying to what the OP said and therefore used his terminology.

"The average pay difference in favour of the public sector has narrowed since the year 2010, which in part reflects the restraints on public sector pay over this period"

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/p...arch-2014.html
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How is it not good that state wages have frozen? They earn more than people in the private sector on average and its people in the private sector that have to pay for the wages of those in the public sector.

"In April 2013 it is estimated that on average the pay of the public sector was between 2.2% and 3.1% higher after adjusting for the different jobs and personal characteristics of the workers"

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/p...arch-2014.html
It's not good because that's not the sign of economic recovery!

"So, how are you doing?"
"Not bad, our GDP's still lower than it started, and unemployment remains high. We've also managed to decrease the growth rate since when we took over. Pretty much a successful economic recovery!"
"Sounds great! So, how are people doing besides the unemployment thing?"
"Oh, not too bad. We froze the wages of public sector workers, so y'know, they now earn closer to private sector workers."

P.s. I might have used the word 'frozen' rashly. I do definitely recall that public sector workers have had their pay cut in real terms, and I seem to recall various public sector jobs (teachers specifically, but some others) that did have frozen pay for most of this government.
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They sell *******s because again and again the general public have shown themselves willing to buy in bulk. Can you really blame the Tories?
Indeed- it is dispiriting. I can't believe people still doff their caps to them, they represent nothing but disembowelling this country in a soulless fashion.
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It's not good because that's not the sign of economic recovery!

"So, how are you doing?"
"Not bad, our GDP's still lower than it started, and unemployment remains high. We've also managed to decrease the growth rate since when we took over. Pretty much a successful economic recovery!"
"Sounds great! So, how are people doing besides the unemployment thing?"
"Oh, not too bad. We froze the wages of public sector workers, so y'know, they now earn closer to private sector workers."

P.s. I might have used the word 'frozen' rashly. I do definitely recall that public sector workers have had their pay cut in real terms, and I seem to recall various public sector jobs (teachers specifically, but some others) that did have frozen pay for most of this government.
Public sector workers do not have some right to have their wages increase in perpetuity while taxpayers in the private sector suffer.
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