Green Lunatics: "The concept of nationality is racist"

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Right from their website, how more crazy can you go ?

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/ny.html
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How ridiculous. British nationals are people across a spectrum of races.

They should probably be sorting out Brighton instead of ruminating over ivory tower idealism such as this.
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Full context:

"While recognising that the concept of nationality is inherently racially discriminatory, we will ensure that the system of conferring British nationality on those not in receipt of it at birth does not discriminate on grounds of race, colour, religion, political belief, disability, sex or sexual orientation […]"

The Greens are not nationalists, never have been. At the same time, they are still pragmatic enough to recognise nationality is still necessary.
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(Original post by Dez)
Full context:

"While recognising that the concept of nationality is inherently racially discriminatory, we will ensure that the system of conferring British nationality on those not in receipt of it at birth does not discriminate on grounds of race, colour, religion, political belief, disability, sex or sexual orientation […]"

The Greens are not nationalists, never have been. At the same time, they are still pragmatic enough to recognise nationality is still necessary.
It's crazy how this was taken out of context like the poster did
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this sort of stuff from the Greens makes the Official Monster Raving Loony Party sound thoughtful and electable

http://www.omrlp.com/
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Green party is racist


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Socialism has killed every empire in existence
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(Original post by Dez)
Full context:

"While recognising that the concept of nationality is inherently racially discriminatory, we will ensure that the system of conferring British nationality on those not in receipt of it at birth does not discriminate on grounds of race, colour, religion, political belief, disability, sex or sexual orientation […]"

The Greens are not nationalists, never have been. At the same time, they are still pragmatic enough to recognise nationality is still necessary.
The fact they are not nationalists is obvious .. they want no borders.. Oh thanks for being "pragmatic" enough to accept nationality
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Socialism has killed every empire in existence
To be fair all Empires collapsed, socialist or not..

Actually the socialist nations are pretty stable(Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, China, Soviet Union until collapse)
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Anyone voting for this people is a total moron.
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They're not proposing to do away with nationality. Nationality is however a divisive concept and a wiser world would get rid of it.
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(Original post by Dez)
Full context:

"While recognising that the concept of nationality is inherently racially discriminatory, we will ensure that the system of conferring British nationality on those not in receipt of it at birth does not discriminate on grounds of race, colour, religion, political belief, disability, sex or sexual orientation […]"

The Greens are not nationalists, never have been. At the same time, they are still pragmatic enough to recognise nationality is still necessary.
The context you added is immaterial. How do you explain the ridiculous independent statement that nationality is "inherently racially discriminatory"?
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It's crazy how this was taken out of context like the poster did
The context is immaterial. See above. That is an independent statement; adding a bit of fluff on the end does not change this.
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the concept of nationality is inherently racially discriminatory
That is nonsense. No country in the world applies racial criteria to its nationality laws these days, not even the USA and South Africa.
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The context you added is immaterial. How do you explain the ridiculous independent statement that nationality is "inherently racially discriminatory"?
Nationalism and racism have gone hand-in-hand for centuries. While no nationalist is necessarily racist or vice-versa, the concepts are very similar. Discriminating against someone based solely on where they were born is just as bad as discriminating based on their skin colour: the person has no control over either aspect, and no way to do anything about it.

Personally though, I don't quite agree with the Greens. Nationality isn't about discriminating based on race, it's discriminating based on wealth. All nationalism boils down to in the end is rich countries stomping down on poor ones.
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Anyone voting for this people is a total moron.
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Nationality isn't about discriminating based on race, it's discriminating based on wealth.
Of course it isn't. It is discrimination based on what your origins are. The children of poor people are not refused UK nationality because of their parents' wealth and income when they are born, and neither are those of rich people. If you are born to a UK citizen (regardless of wealth, race or religion) you are entitled to be a UK citizen; if you are born to a Mali citizen (regardless of wealth, race or religion) you are entitled to be a Mali citizen.
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If anything the concept of nationality shreds racism apart.


You are British because you have a British passport, not because you can trace your family background all way back to living in this country during the medieval period.

(Original post by Dez)
Nationalism and racism have gone hand-in-hand for centuries. While no nationalist is necessarily racist or vice-versa, the concepts are very similar. Discriminating against someone based solely on where they were born is just as bad as discriminating based on their skin colour: the person has no control over either aspect, and no way to do anything about it.

Personally though, I don't quite agree with the Greens. Nationality isn't about discriminating based on race, it's discriminating based on wealth. All nationalism boils down to in the end is rich countries stomping down on poor ones.
This argument is entirely semantic, the concept of nationalism to simply too broad to equate it to something as one dimensional as nationality.
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Socialism has killed every empire in existence
Good. I doubt any empire in history was ever a good thing, certainly the majority of them were not
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Nationality is not racist and nationality has little to do with nationalism.
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