Is politics so simple as choosing a side based on your own background?

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Common perception is conservatives are for the upper middle class and above. Labour is for the lower middle class and below. UKIP is for the British nationalists whom believe Britain is superior.

These stereotypes permeate through politics but do they hold truths?
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in the past yes. but currently the Conservative and Labour parties represent almost nobody, people are just stuck in tribal voting without knowing who is best for the country and themselves
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Labour is for those who despise everything about Britain, its indigenous population, its history and traditions and reject utterly the nation state construct in favour of international socialism (to be paid for with UK taxpayer money). It is also the party of feminists, Muslims and blacks.
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You're not even supposed to vote for what is best for you, but rather what is best for the country.

Political affiliation is to do with which government you think would be optimal for the country right? To say you're a liberal is not to say you think that liberals would benefit you the most because as liberal you think others should be liberals too - clearly then, you can't be a liberal yourself for selfish reasons or you are being hypocritical.
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Not true. You vote for what you feel represents how you feel the direction of the country should lean. No individual knows what is best for the country either economically or socially- or we would be millionaires. Do you want to live in a nanny state, a culturally barren, economically lacklustre or pseudo-socialist/fascist state? Vote Labour or the Greens (or SNP). Do you actually value community spirit and the family unit and wish to allow those institutions to flourish? Vote for lower taxes and the riddance of bureaucratic inflation.
Well no they don't, not even close and that doesn't detract from the purpose of voting, rather it detracts from the purpose of democracy. It makes it clear how stupid the whole process is.

Essentially you're not even disagreeing, you're just saying "you vote for whichever way the country could go that you think is optimal".
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Well no they don't, not even close and that doesn't detract from the purpose of voting, rather it detracts from the purpose of democracy. It makes it clear how stupid the whole process is.

Essentially you're not even disagreeing, you're just saying "you vote for whichever way the country could go that you think is optimal".
I deleted my post.

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And how the hell did you respond so fast? Are you a wizard?
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(Original post by HigherMinion)
I deleted my post.

/kite
Kite?
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And how the hell did you respond so fast? Are you a wizard?
I type very quickly, read very quickly and think fairly quickly.

Want me to delete that other post with your quote in it?
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Kiting is the art of turning 360° and running away. A less generous way of saying 'yeah alright, I'm done. '

Welp. If you think a little slower you might not skip over some things ;^) like democracy being good but state influence on voting minds being more of an issue. If anyone should have mass influence like that it should be the monarch.


Edit: zzz. Does this POS program have to tell you I posted via a non-pc device?
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(Original post by thesabbath)
Labour is for those who despise everything about Britain, its indigenous population, its history and traditions and reject utterly the nation state construct in favour of international socialism (to be paid for with UK taxpayer money). It is also the party of feminists, Muslims and blacks.
And yet the Conservative party was the first to have a female PM, has (had?) a Muslim cabinet minister and several black MPs...

I need a sieve to read your posts, because I'm convinced that underneath all the bull****, there are some genuine points there.
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And yet the Conservative party was the first to have a female PM, has (had?) a Muslim cabinet minister and several black MPs...

I need a sieve to read your posts, because I'm convinced that underneath all the bull****, there are some genuine points there.
He was talking about who Labour represents, mostly people who hate Britain and British culture.
Conservatives don't discriminate as you have mentioned by the members of their party, but they traditionally represent people who actually love Britain.
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Kiting is the art of turning 360° and running away. A less generous way of saying 'yeah alright, I'm done. '

Welp. If you think a little slower you might not skip over some things ;^) like democracy being good but state influence on voting minds being more of an issue. If anyone should have mass influence like that it should be the monarch.


Edit: zzz. Does this POS program have to tell you I posted via a non-pc device?
Turning 360° leaves you in the same direction in which you began
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Turning 360° leaves you in the same direction in which you began
Before running away, it's wise to check your surroundings entirely.
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Common perception is conservatives are for the upper middle class and above. Labour is for the lower middle class and below. UKIP is for the British nationalists whom believe Britain is superior.

These stereotypes permeate through politics but do they hold truths?
The simple answer is not really.

Class dealignment occurred in the 70's and 80's in such a way that the Middle and Working classes have both been won by Thatcher, Major and Blair. Hell, Cameron got 39% of the C2 vote.
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So, conservatives...?
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