Which political party is best for me? (or even some hints at which political angle!)

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I have been told that I am best described as Socialist Libertarian.

I wrote out all my policy ideas on word and it stretched to 4/5 pages so I decided not to post it here... I'm not sure if I've written everything down, but you should be able to get my drift.

Keywords
Classical Liberalism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Monarchism, Europeanism, Green, Liberal, Middle Class, etc

Political Reform
I am royalist but reformist too. I think a smaller House of Lords should be merged into the Privy Council, and powers handed to the Royal Family. Instead of 'hiring' on heredity, it should be based on merit (a bit like the current Privy Council).

I also think parliament should have it's constituency boundaries redrawn, and elect itself using the D'Hont method.

Finally, I think everyone in the court system should be allotted.

The government should have five tiers: Crown, Parliament, Judiciary, Bank, and Ombudsman; Bank and Ombudsman should have a 'troika' of heads appointed by Crown, Parliament and Judiciary.

I am pro-EU and pro-Commonwealth, pro-devolution, and pro-secular.

Cultural Reform
Environment, LGBT, Animal Rights, Human Rights, Civil Liberties, Secularism, drug liberalisation, self-defence, lassiez-faire cultural polices, no oil/gas, pro-automation, pro-offshoring, pro-globalisation etc...

As a secularist, I do not support recognition of marriage as I think government should 'liberalise marriage' and stop caring about marriage in general, sort of a 'free marriage'

Economic Reform
I think organisations such as the NHS and BBC, or services such as education, should be privatised. I support privatisations in general, but I think a safety net is important.

For example...

In healthcare, I would model our new system on the one found in Germany - based on health insurance and fee limits. But I still think there should be a saftey net, so I would bankroll a socialised university hospital system from taxes.

In media, I would privatise both BBC and 4 and impose PSB requirements on the top 5 most visited video sites. I would then set up a dutch style media fund, focusing on: localism, europeanism, news, arts, knowledge, and minorities.
I also support things like compulsory unemployment insurance, or Singapore's CPF Fund style compulsory pensions savings.

Defence budget and overseas aid should be cut, I support the balancing of books. I also support measures that might be controversial in the lower classes, such as automation or off-shoring.

However, I find regional monopolies utterly stupid. In railways for example, either allow competitors to run trains freely (like planes, subsidising loss making routes) or nationalise the whole thing!

Thanks guys! :cool:
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tldr
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(Original post by midgemeister7)
tldr
What about just looking at my keywords? That's why I put them there near the top.
Keywords
Classical Liberalism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Monarchism, Europeanism, Green, Liberal, Middle Class, etc
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What about just looking at my keywords? That's why I put them there near the top.
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nah
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Spoil your ballot or vote UKIP.

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^ I can sympathise with UKIP's libertarian slant, but I'm too pro-europe for UKIP.
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I'm surprised at how few replies I've gotten! I thought this forum was really popular?!? Anyways, hopefully I'll come back to 100 pages...
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(Original post by Pulse.)
I've always thought of libertarian socialism as an oxymoron.
Yeah, that's why I'm wondering what on earth my political angle would be called.

When I first conjured up "socialist libertarian", I felt it was an oxymoron too, but google tells me it's a respected political philosophy.

I don't think I've come across a British political party that agrees with all my viewpoints, and some of my views are better represented on the continent.
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You sound a little bit mixed up, but Conservative more than Labour.
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You're a textbook Orange Booker. You should vote Lib Dem.

I agree with all your stances except for privatisation of essential services: it's idiotic. Private providers should compete without favour with state-funded providers in all such services. Then we'll see how "efficient" the buggers are.

Incidentally I see little or nothing to suggest you're a socialist, renationalising railways isn't exactly radical, most of the electorate support it and most of them hate socialism.
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You're a textbook Orange Booker. You should vote Lib Dem.
lol. I included 'Orange Book' as a tag in my initial write-up, but it didn't make my final five-page draft sadly.

(Original post by scrotgrot)
I agree with all your stances except for privatisation of essential services: it's idiotic. Private providers should compete without favour with state-funded providers in all such services. Then we'll see how "efficient" the buggers are.
This is exactly how the German health system works. The operators come from: state, charity and private backgrounds. I prefer it to the current NHS model UK has.

This is also reflected in my support for a 'fund' centric media organisation.

(Original post by scrotgrot)
Incidentally I see little or nothing to suggest you're a socialist, renationalising railways isn't exactly radical, most of the electorate support it and most of them hate socialism.
Good point. I actually support a slightly more libertarian model, similar to how our airline market works: Simply treat train stations like airports, trains like planes, and railways like toll roads; TOCs will be allowed to run trains wherever they wish too. Important unprofitable routes will be subsidised using a rail-levy, or straight from taxes.

The socialist aspect comes from my support for a safety net. I want organisations like University Hospitals Service.

Something that I didn't include here was the idea of a centralised 'development bank', in charge of things like welfare, housing, zero-interest loans, grants, subsidies, etc... Such a bank would protect people who, for some reason or another, aren't covered independently. It would also be in charge of tuition fee loans and similar things.

I also want compulsory enrollment into things like unemployment insurance or health insurance, especially if one has enough disposable income.
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^ I can sympathise with UKIP's libertarian slant, but I'm too pro-europe for UKIP.
For me UKIP are more like openly racist and homophobic, fear-mongering in regards to immigration, deeply anti-EU (even though ironically that do have seats in the European Parliament).

Well rooted into the 1950's when Britain was still and Empire, homosexuality was a disease and the black people were second class citizens...ah and the Polish were unwelcome/undesirable guests, only a few years after sacrificing their lives in fighting to save Britain (mainly) and Europe from Nazis.
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(Original post by theroyalwhigs)
I'm surprised at how few replies I've gotten! I thought this forum was really popular?!? Anyways, hopefully I'll come back to 100 pages...
because long post :P
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For me UKIP are more like openly racist and homophobic, fear-mongering in regards to immigration, deeply anti-EU (even though ironically that do have seats in the European Parliament).
Yeah. I think UK needs a political reshuffle. UKIP should merge with radical Conservatives and form the British 'Republican' party.

(Original post by Vlad_Tepes)
Well rooted into the 1950's when Britain was still and Empire, homosexuality was a disease and the black people were second class citizens...ah and the Polish were unwelcome/undesirable guests, only a few years after sacrificing their lives in fighting to save Britain (mainly) and Europe from Nazis.
I'm supportive of our Royal Family, our Commonwealth, and I would like to keep our Crown Realms.

I'm tolerant of xenophobia and anti-black racism; I think we can't let everyone into our country and we should focus on automation and outsourcing, and I really don't like blacks.

I'm not tolerant of homophobia, but since I'm secular I've been taking a back seat on lobbying government to recognise gay marriage, as it goes against secularism.

My main dislike for UKIP comes from my extremely pro-eu political position, to the point that I would 'europeanise' services like the BBC or NHS.
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(Original post by theroyalwhigs)
lol. I included 'Orange Book' as a tag in my initial write-up, but it didn't make my final five-page draft sadly.



This is exactly how the German health system works. The operators come from: state, charity and private backgrounds. I prefer it to the current NHS model UK has.

This is also reflected in my support for a 'fund' centric media organisation.



Good point. I actually support a slightly more libertarian model, similar to how our airline market works: Simply treat train stations like airports, trains like planes, and railways like toll roads; TOCs will be allowed to run trains wherever they wish too. Important unprofitable routes will be subsidised using a rail-levy, or straight from taxes.

The socialist aspect comes from my support for a safety net. I want organisations like University Hospitals Service.

Something that I didn't include here was the idea of a centralised 'development bank', in charge of things like welfare, housing, zero-interest loans, grants, subsidies, etc... Such a bank would protect people who, for some reason or another, aren't covered independently. It would also be in charge of tuition fee loans and similar things.

I also want compulsory enrollment into things like unemployment insurance or health insurance, especially if one has enough disposable income.
The problem is trains can't run like planes. There is limited capacity on the lines. And people can't change their destination. With planes,it's either on business paid by the company or for a holiday where you can change your destination based on prices. And it's one off so you have a lot of time to buy the ticket and choose. With trains commuters usually pay themselves, do the same route every day so a captive market

How is compulsory enrolment into employment insurance and health insurance any different from.taxes for the consumer? Only difference is the money goes to some profiteering private company instead of the state and you'll need to take them to court from your hospital bed/cardboard box in the street to get the buggers to pay out..
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The problem is trains can't run like planes. There is limited capacity on the lines. And people can't change their destination. With planes,it's either on business paid by the company or for a holiday where you can change your destination based on prices. And it's one off so you have a lot of time to buy the ticket and choose. With trains commuters usually pay themselves, do the same route every day so a captive market
I think they should either be nationalised or liberalised. I just absolutely look down on regional monopolies!

Nationalisation doesn't need explaining.

I'm a major advocate of the libertarian model. I'll explain this using HSR1:
The railway line is owned by Canada's Pension Fund.
The stations are operated by several independent companies.
Passenger trains on the line are currently operated by 'Eurostar' only. Under my model if Deutsche Bahn or Arriva wanted to run a profitable train from Aberdeen to Rome, they should be allowed. The government should limit intervention to a 'railway levy' to fund important unprofitable local routes.
Essentially:
1) I would privatise the 'rails' in a similar manner to HSR1.

2) I would then allow trains to choose which routes they want to run accordingly to the free market model.
Arriva, DB, and First could compete on the Edinburgh - London route, while DB might be the only operator on the Cardiff - London route.

3)Routes that are deemed 'too important to fail' but are unprofitable should be subsidised by the government, using a levy on the railways or even bankrolled from taxes.

The TOC would have to pay 'fees' to the station owners for stopping, and to the rail owners for using the rails. If a TOC decided that a station operator or rail operator was poor, the TOC could just change station/rail route.

(Original post by scrotgrot)
How is compulsory enrolment into employment insurance and health insurance any different from.taxes for the consumer? Only difference is the money goes to some profiteering private company instead of the state and you'll need to take them to court from your hospital bed/cardboard box in the street to get the buggers to pay out..
But imo libertarian models, such as those found on the continent, are generally better for the consumer.

Concerning healthcare, I think the German Healthcare Model is what you are looking for; players range from State, Charity, Non-For-Profit, and Private. It's essentially more choice for the consumer, and more money into healthcare isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I understand the need for a Saftey Net so I adovate: a 'Socialised University Hospitals System' similar to the NHS, and a centralised fund similar to Singapore's CPF.

The SUHS also pours state aid into universities, and the CPF allows for the creation of a SWF and funds welfare (I see CPF as a 'development bank' which also provided zero-interest loans for students or housing construction etc...).
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