Will Brits have any rights in two years?

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Given that the Tories want to scrap the Human Rights Act and that we may no longer be under the ECHR in two years, what rights will we have? Is this not a terrifying prospect?
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Probably a new bill of rights.
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Probably a new bill of rights.
I wonder what they'll be. The right to make a profit will probably come into existence.
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The new Bill of Rights is mentioned in the same sentence of the Tory manifesto as the HRA, so yes. They won't be as strong, nor will they protect minority groups (not talking about race here, but rather groups like prisoners and immigrants) as well.
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If it doesn't have a 'second amendment' (EU compatible funnily enough), then it's worthless, however you'll probably have nothing in 2 years...

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I love it how people have been so scaremongering, indoctrinated to think that humans rights is only the core issues, it's gone to far. ALOT of this country want to see a bill of rights, we aren't Saudi Arabia, we are sensible people who can make sensible laws...
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Why won't we be under ECHR?
EU referendum. It's not a certainty but it's a possibility.
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If it doesn't have a 'second amendment' (EU compatible funnily enough), then it's worthless, however you'll probably have nothing in 2 years...

Is that clip from this version of 1984? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/?ref_=nv_sr_1
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ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.
Either way, the Tories want to loosen (if not break) ties to the ECHR.
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Why won't we be under ECHR?
Presumably the reason why the Tories want to scrap the ECHR is that they're not happy with its content. Sure, there are domestic procedural rules in the HRA but they essentially amount to making sure the UK doesn't break its international obligations.
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As a UKIPer, I am pleased about this
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Why? And on what basis do you make that statement?
At a Tory conference last year:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-9767435.html

In his speech the Prime Minister cited the issue of prisoner voting to make the case for reform, and criticised the European Court of Human rights for a series of decisions that “are frankly wrong”.
“Rulings to stop us deporting suspected terrorists. The suggestion that you've got to apply the human rights convention even on the battlefields of Helmand.
“And now - they want to give prisoners the vote. No, I'm sorry, I just don't agree.
“Our Parliament - the British Parliament - decided they shouldn't have that right.
“This is the country that wrote Magna Carta, the country that time and again has stood up for human rights, whether liberating Europe from fascism or leading the charge today against sexual violence in war.
“Let me put it very clearly: We do not require instruction from judges in Strasbourg on this issue.
“So at long last, with a Conservative government after the next election, this country will have a new British Bill of Rights to be passed in our Parliament, rooted in our values.”
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Given that the Tories want to scrap the Human Rights Act and that we may no longer be under the ECHR in two years, what rights will we have? Is this not a terrifying prospect?
Not to mention they are essentially getting rid of the right to strike.
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Not to mention they are essentially getting rid of the right to strike.
They will implement a 40% rule for strikes.
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Not to mention they are essentially getting rid of the right to strike.
Strikes should only ever be the result of a clear, positive decision based on a ballot in which at least half the work force has voted. This turnout threshold will be an important and fair step to rebalance the interests of employers, employees, the public and the rights of trade unions. We will, in addition, tackle the disproportionate impact of strikes in essential public services by introducing a tougher threshold in health, education, fire and transport.Industrial action in these essential services would require the support of at least 40 per cent of all those entitled to take part in strike ballots – as well as a majority of those who actually turn out to vote. We will also repeal nonsensical restrictions banning employers from hiring agency staff to provide essential cover during strikes; and ensure strikes cannot be called on the basis of ballots conducted years before. We will tackle intimidation of non-striking workers; legislate to ensure trade unions use a transparent opt-in process for union subscriptions;tighten the rules around taxpayer-funded paid ‘facility time’ for union representatives; and reform the role of the Certification Officer.
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So they plan to create a bill of rights that's inherently British? What's wrong there? You don't even know the contents of it
No, I can't find a draft anywhere. Their manifesto is vague.
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My point was that you are drawing conclusions on something that's doesn't even exist.
It is clear at least that prisoners will be treated considerably worse if the Tories get their way. My conclusion is that I feel uneasy about it.
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****.
The trade unions are dead, this is the end of workers rights.
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They will implement a 40% rule for strikes.
50%. Ironic given the turnout in many conservative implemented elections(mayoral, PCCs...) And there will be even more restrictions on NHS, fire, transport and teaching.

May as well ban strikes altogether.
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So they plan to create a bill of rights that's inherently British? What's wrong there? You don't even know the contents of it
We can make inferences about its content from its stated rationale - for instance, Theresa May has stated that its goal is to 'stop human rights legislation interfering with our ability to fight crime and control immigration' which seems to imply that prisoners, suspected criminals and immigrants - three of the minority groups whose rights need most defence against the tyranny of the majority will be sidelined.
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