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    They could sit on their bum all day, enjoying their wealth & not give a toss about the poor, but instead they choose to try and help so why do people hate them? As long as their paying taxes, what exactly is the problem? It’s not like they wouldn’t be effected by any changes they advocate for.

    If I was an atheist then I’d have been one too but I don’t understand how atheists can have a problem with champagne socialists.
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    They could sit on their bum all day, enjoying their wealth & not give a toss about the poor, but instead they choose to try and help so why do people hate them? As long as their paying taxes, what exactly is the problem? It’s not like they wouldn’t be effected by any changes they advocate for.

    If I was an atheist then I’d have been one too but I don’t understand how atheists can have a problem with champagne socialists.
    They are preachers of hypocrisy
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    A lot are of the view that they only do it to feel less guilty about having 5 cars and a mansion. Which I kind of agree with, a lot see them as just odd really. I don't hate them, maybe people just hate the rich anyway hey
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    (Original post by Magnus Taylor)
    They are preachers of hypocrisy
    How? They don't call for higher taxes and then try and evade them
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    How? They don't call for higher taxes and then try and evade them
    They drink champagne but stand for socialism
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    (Original post by Magnus Taylor)
    They drink champagne but stand for socialism
    First, I'm sure you know this but 'champagne socialist' isn't literal. Secondly, socialism is in no way inconsistent with the drinking of champagne, it's just that everyone gets to drink champagne.
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    (Original post by interact)
    They could sit on their bum all day, enjoying their wealth & not give a toss about the poor, but instead they choose to try and help so why do people hate them? As long as their paying taxes, what exactly is the problem? It’s not like they wouldn’t be effected by any changes they advocate for.

    If I was an atheist then I’d have been one too but I don’t understand how atheists can have a problem with champagne socialists.
    I don't hate them. To me i just use it as a descriptive term like 'toffs'.

    It's not a negative thing for me, i actually want to be a toff in later life.
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    They want to share...

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    (Original post by interact)
    If I was an atheist then I’d have been one too but I don’t understand how atheists can have a problem with champagne socialists.
    Huh?
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I don't hate them. To me i just use it as a descriptive term like 'toffs'.

    It's not a negative thing for me, i actually want to be a toff in later life.
    I don't mind proper toffs, I hate whigs - they're the worst
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    I don't mind proper toffs, I hate whigs - they're the worst
    Never met a whig.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Never met a whig.
    They're not all the same, I hate the ones who build horrible archirtecture
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    So many people cannot accept that sometimes turkeys do vote for christmas for the greater good.

    Most people are essentially selfish so other rich people will ridicule the rich socialists as a mechanism to maintain the status quo

    Of course it will give the Lefts arguments more credibility if rich people who would pay more supported those policies.
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    Why? Because they claim to have concern for the poor but live lives of luxury. If they actually cared as much as they claim to then their standard of living would be much lower.
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    I'm a skint uni student and I believe in helping the poor etc, now, if tomorrow I won the lottery and became a millionaire, I would still be the same person and hold the same beliefs. Just because somebody is rich does not mean they cannot be socialists. Not all rich people are evil who don't care about the poor and not all rich people are tax avoiders. 'Champagne socialists' want higher taxes for the rich, and that's including themselves - hardly a bad thing, they aren't being selfish, they actually advocate for things that don't benefit them personally, but benefit ordinary people. If all of the rich were 'champagne socialist', we wouldn't have all this tax avoidance etc in the world.

    Having a nice house or designer clothes does not make anyone a hypocrite, you dont have to give away 99% of your income and live on a council estate to be a socialist. It is an ideology and it is not dependent on your income. If I won the lottery tomorrow and bought myself a mansion and a Range Rover, I would still believe the rich, including me, should pay higher taxes and so on because I am concerned with society, not just myself.
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    I don't hate them.

    I just don't like the fact that we live in a society where some people can hardly afford to feed themselves while others have a mansion and 10 cars.
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    Russell Brand just epitomises the Champagne Socialist. Cant stand the idiot for several reasons, one being that he's called profit a dirty word and he can't stand capitalism, when really he is the success story of capitalism; the rags to riches story. He made his millions moving to the land of capitalism (hollywood), and then he preaches all this nonsense about corporation tax and what have you. Did you know that this man was head of a company that offered tax breaks to his clients? (read link)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ss-empire.html

    Ill tell you what, if you really hate capitalism then move to North Korea and see how much you love it there mate. OR, give all your profits up.

    He's a hypocrite, and furthermore week in week out he seems to tell us to vote for one party after another. And his call for revolution and all that nonsense is so vague, when Paxman interviewed Brand he completely melted and couldn't give anything specific as to what he actually wanted. Please don't take him seriously, or in fact any champagne socialist seriously.
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    These are the problems I have with socialism:

    1) It's completely divorced from the Sacred.

    2) It ultimately reduces humanity to its lowest common denominator.

    3) It leads to a society based on the notion that the accumulation of capital is the highest good an individual can attain, and as a result a wide-spread love of money and useless material possessions have come to the forefront. Marxism, while in a sense, is in "struggle" with modern society, ultimately fails to transcend it since it adopts the exact same basic materialist assumptions which animate the ideology which it aimed to replace i.e. that humans are nothing more than an "economic animal", a "consumer and producer", driven by natural forces.

    4) Socialists often speak of "equality of opportunity" (as the "ideal") contrasted with "equality of outcome," in reality theres little difference in the actual manufacturing of the two and if implemented, would result in a completely flat world, devoid of any qualitative differences.

    This does not mean that I like crony capitalism either. There are some more problems I have with socialism, but I won't state them on a forum in which people like to blame the poor for everything anyway.
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    You're not allowed to be rich and a socialist because that's apparently hypocrisy.

    You're not allowed to be poor and a socialist because that's apparently envy.

    Right-wingers are natural bullies and Hobson's choices are their favourite way of torturing earnest lefties.
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    The real champagne socialists are bureaucrats.
 
 
 

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