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Why do people hate champagne socialists?

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Original post by GrigorijC1997
Russell Brand just epitomises the Champagne Socialist. Cant stand the idiot for several reasons, one being that he's called profit a dirty word and he can't stand capitalism, when really he is the success story of capitalism; the rags to riches story. He made his millions moving to the land of capitalism (hollywood), and then he preaches all this nonsense about corporation tax and what have you. Did you know that this man was head of a company that offered tax breaks to his clients? (read link)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2483929/Russell-Brands-unsocialist-15m-business-empire.html

Ill tell you what, if you really hate capitalism then move to North Korea and see how much you love it there mate. OR, give all your profits up.

He's a hypocrite, and furthermore week in week out he seems to tell us to vote for one party after another. And his call for revolution and all that nonsense is so vague, when Paxman interviewed Brand he completely melted and couldn't give anything specific as to what he actually wanted. Please don't take him seriously, or in fact any champagne socialist seriously.


Brand is the poster boy for good capitalism. Unlike most Tory voters, who require govwrnment subsidy, guarantees like property rights and the opening up to exploitation of markets in essentials to keep their wealth extraction rackets going, Brand earned his money in the least coercive market I can think of: entertainment.

No socialist has a problem with people earning wealth when they produce value someone is prepared to pay for, as long as that person is not coerced.
I don't care what beverage they prefer just that they believe they are the good guys yet they constantly advocate people should have even more stolen from them.
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Original post by driftawaay
I'm a skint uni student and I believe in helping the poor etc, now, if tomorrow I won the lottery and became a millionaire, I would still be the same person and hold the same beliefs. Just because somebody is rich does not mean they cannot be socialists. Not all rich people are evil who don't care about the poor and not all rich people are tax avoiders. 'Champagne socialists' want higher taxes for the rich, and that's including themselves - hardly a bad thing, they aren't being selfish, they actually advocate for things that don't benefit them personally, but benefit ordinary people. If all of the rich were 'champagne socialist', we wouldn't have all this tax avoidance etc in the world.

Having a nice house or designer clothes does not make anyone a hypocrite, you dont have to give away 99% of your income and live on a council estate to be a socialist. It is an ideology and it is not dependent on your income. If I won the lottery tomorrow and bought myself a mansion and a Range Rover, I would still believe the rich, including me, should pay higher taxes and so on because I am concerned with society, not just myself.


I hope you win the lottery one day :smile:
Original post by scrotgrot
Unlike most Tory voters, who require govwrnment subsidy, guarantees like property rights and the opening up to exploitation of markets in essentials to keep their wealth extraction rackets going, Brand earned his money in the least coercive market I can think of: entertainment.

No socialist has a problem with people earning wealth when they produce value someone is prepared to pay for, as long as that person is not coerced.

So Brand didn't have "guarantees" like property rights to make his money?

Opening up new markets gets people out of poverty but just because someone you don't like is making money off it makes it bad?
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Original post by scrotgrot
Brand earned his money in the least coercive market I can think of: entertainment.

lol, Entertainment business is full of Coercion, Brand made 15 million standing on a stage acting like an idiot because of marketing and hype while millions of people doing actual real, important jobs earn nothing.
Original post by The_Mighty_Bush
So Brand didn't have "guarantees" like property rights to make his money?

Opening up new markets gets people out of poverty but just because someone you don't like is making money off it makes it bad?


Well yes he did, but he wasn't reliant on them; his business model wasn't centred around using them as leverage.
Original post by Feels
lol, Entertainment business is full of Coercion, Brand made 15 million standing on a stage acting like an idiot because of marketing and hype while millions of people doing actual real, important jobs earn nothing.


I don’t consider marketing coercion, you have to draw the line somewhere. Coercion I mean in the sense of being sold an essential good like shelter, food, energy etc and exploitation coming from the fact that you need it to survive. You don't need a ticket to a Brand show or a copy of My Booky Wook to survive.
Original post by balanced
A lot are of the view that they only do it to feel less guilty about having 5 cars and a mansion. Which I kind of agree with, a lot see them as just odd really. I don't hate them, maybe people just hate the rich anyway hey


Original post by battycatlady
I don't hate them.

I just don't like the fact that we live in a society where some people can hardly afford to feed themselves while others have a mansion and 10 cars.


The problem with this discussion is that people come up with retarded straw men like this. Probably less than 0.001% of the population is in the above - albeit exaggerated - category but people will still use the argument as justification for criticizing "champagne socialists".
I've tried my hardest to shrug off the name Champagne Socialist but I am one.
I think the right-wing dislike us because we make them look bad. I mean think about it.

Here is a great example. Lets say you go to school with a big bar of chocolate and you share it evenly with all the poor children while over yonder there are the well to do kids quickly hiding their big chocolate bars and discussing among themselves that there is a champagne socialist over yonder in the playground.

To sum it up most rich people like to enrich themselves and they hate it when someone uses their wealth as a platform to preach sharing and unity.

So it all comes down to this. If you have a big bag of sweets are you going to keep them all to yourself or share them?
Original post by scrotgrot
Well yes he did, but he wasn't reliant on them; his business model wasn't centred around using them as leverage.

What? Of course he relied on them. If someone started stealing his CDs or starting doing shows under his name; they would be breaking the law and would be legally punished. Without the "guarantee" of property rights, you cannot have exchange to any real extent as no one is guaranteed that they won't be stolen from.
Original post by The_Mighty_Bush
What? Of course he relied on them. If someone started stealing his CDs or starting doing shows under his name; they would be breaking the law and would be legally punished. Without the "guarantee" of property rights, you cannot have exchange to any real extent as no one is guaranteed that they won't be stolen from.


Yes, and that's why I'm not against the abolition of property rights. But when the only work you do is to have enough capital to get your hands on something like a house and then receive profits without doing any work at all solely on the basis of the ownership structure, that's bad capitalism. Rent-seeking is a very simple idea that goes back to that hero of the right Adam Smith.

He relied on them, as does everyone, but he wasn't reli*ant* on them as such.
**** off communist

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