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    Hi,

    I know this has been discussed before, but I believe the system has very recently changed.

    Do Officer Cadets, who are university graduates, stay as such throughout all of IOT, or do they become acting Pilot Officer part way through (like I think they used to)? Also, do they graduate as a Pilot Officer or Flying Officer?

    I believe it's still about 3 1/2 years to Flight Lieutenant, but correct me if I'm wrong.

    Thanks,
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    (Original post by Russell_Crowbar)
    Hi,

    I know this has been discussed before, but I believe the system has very recently changed.

    Do Officer Cadets, who are university graduates, stay as such throughout all of IOT, or do they become acting Pilot Officer part way through (like I think they used to)? Also, do they graduate as a Pilot Officer or Flying Officer?

    I believe it's still about 3 1/2 years to Flight Lieutenant, but correct me if I'm wrong.

    Thanks,
    Russell_Crowbar
    Everyone is an officer cadet throughout the whole course, earning a pilot officer wage of £25k (ex-rankers retain their original pay if it was higher).

    On graduation, everyone graduates as a pilot officer apart from pilots, engineers and ex-Rangers, who all graduate as flying officers.

    The only exception from the above are the specialist roles (doctor/nurse/legal/chaplain).

    Being a graduate makes no difference in any branch that has not been individually mentioned above.

    Hope that helps.

    T


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    Apologies, final point, after grad, 6 months to fg off and a further 3 years to Flt Lt, apart from the individually mentioned branches too.


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    I have a query regarding all pay scales really.

    Firstly - is this accurate:

    http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpays...p#.VVC-p9zF8cI

    If so can I query how the pay scales work. I have spent the last 4-5 years working as a civil servant and within each 'band' (rank) there are scales which are guaranteed appraisals every year until you hit that bands cap.

    Is that how it works with the RAF?

    So join as an airman say and you start at £18k but there are 3 wage raises guaranteed yearly? So after 3 years £21k? If you keep increasing level you can receive wage rises all the way to £29k?

    Or are these increases competitive?

    Thanks

    (Hope that makes sense)
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    (Original post by BarrattsMini)
    I have a query regarding all pay scales really.

    Firstly - is this accurate:

    http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpays...p#.VVC-p9zF8cI

    If so can I query how the pay scales work. I have spent the last 4-5 years working as a civil servant and within each 'band' (rank) there are scales which are guaranteed appraisals every year until you hit that bands cap.

    Is that how it works with the RAF?

    So join as an airman say and you start at £18k but there are 3 wage raises guaranteed yearly? So after 3 years £21k? If you keep increasing level you can receive wage rises all the way to £29k?

    Or are these increases competitive?

    Thanks

    (Hope that makes sense)
    That link is correct, and I can only offer a limited response to your query.

    The level increases in each rank are normally by time, rather than competition.

    AC to SAC is a mixture of time served and reaching the correct qualifications in the respective trade.

    With lower and higher spine I'm less sure as to whether this is trade related or qualification related, so I can't answer that.


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    So pay increases happen yearly until you reach the ‘cap’ of that particular rank?
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    (Original post by BarrattsMini)
    So pay increases happen yearly until you reach the ‘cap’ of that particular rank?
    Tbh I couldn't tell you if it was yearly or 6 monthly, I've not been in long enough to go up a level, sorry.


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    (Original post by BarrattsMini)
    So pay increases happen yearly until you reach the ‘cap’ of that particular rank?
    Yes.

    (Although you'll normally notice 2 increases per year; one your annual "increment" until you reach the top level at that rank and a (currently) smaller one which reflects the annual increase in pay granted by the government)
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    (Original post by BarrattsMini)
    I have a query regarding all pay scales really.

    Firstly - is this accurate:

    http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpays...p#.VVC-p9zF8cI

    If so can I query how the pay scales work. I have spent the last 4-5 years working as a civil servant and within each 'band' (rank) there are scales which are guaranteed appraisals every year until you hit that bands cap.

    Is that how it works with the RAF?

    So join as an airman say and you start at £18k but there are 3 wage raises guaranteed yearly? So after 3 years £21k? If you keep increasing level you can receive wage rises all the way to £29k?

    Or are these increases competitive?

    Thanks

    (Hope that makes sense)
    For airman you will go up an increment every year until you reach the ceiling of that ranks pay. You'll then mark time until promotion when you will start again. All this relies upon you getting a C or better OPG on your annual reports. High pay band trades tend to be more technical, have longer trade training or have retention issues.

    The current situation is all going to be changing relatively soon so don't get too hung up on it. In short, the pay package is fairly decent. Especially for the commissioned side of things.
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    Thanks all,

    I am applying as an Officer but it is all very interesting to know and I appreciate the updates.

    I read the changes were as of April - so I waited to post that link. So there are further changes this financial year?
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    (Original post by BarrattsMini)
    Thanks all,

    I am applying as an Officer but it is all very interesting to know and I appreciate the updates.

    I read the charges were as of April - so I waited to post that link. So there are further changes this financial year?
    It's called the new employment model, you'll be briefed to death on it on IOT so don't worry about understanding it now.

    It won't impact you on IOT paywise either, so don't worry.
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    (Original post by BarrattsMini)
    Thanks all,

    I am applying as an Officer but it is all very interesting to know and I appreciate the updates.

    I read the changes were as of April - so I waited to post that link. So there are further changes this financial year?
    The Armed Forces Pay Review Body release their report annually, historically somewhere early February to mid March. This is approved by government (hence why sometimes it's later than others!) and sets the following FY's pay and allowances (basic pay, specialist pay, "recruitment and retention pay", accommodation charges, food charges etc).

    These changes them first appear in your April pay statement, annually.
 
 
 
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