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    (Original post by Tawheed)
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    We were warned about this by Gordon Brown.
    Gordon Brown was a disgrace, Rupert Murdoch is a fine business man. Nothing to worry about, we need to cut the BBC/License fee.
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    (Original post by djpatch)
    They should cut their own salary.
    Absolutely not! If we want a better quality of MPs we need to raise the salary. The amount of stress, responsibility, abuse, etc. that they experience every day should warrant a very high salary. A lot of people with lots of potential who could be amazing politicians because they can chose to either go to politics for £50K or work for large international firms for multimillion pound salaries. This is why we're stuck with the current 'idiots'
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    (Original post by Tawheed)
    Raising tuition fee's does little to decrease numbers. It's just so ironic the tories claim to be the party of lower debt and lower taxes. What they really mean is for the rich, while the middle class suffer, and future generation are indebted with even more debt.

    The billionares's who also own the media must be laughing.
    1/3 of English working class vote Conservative. There aren't enough rich in the UK to give them a majority alone. The raised stamp duty has hammered the rich, and it is easier than before for first time buyers to buy homes.
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    (Original post by a96clark)
    Absolutely not! If we want a better quality of MPs we need to raise the salary. The amount of stress, responsibility, abuse, etc. that they experience every day should warrant a very high salary. A lot of people with lots of potential who could be amazing politicians because they can chose to either go to politics for £50K or work for large international firms for multimillion pound salaries. This is why we're stuck with the current 'idiots'
    I agree, but i feel bitter about this. Those MPS voted to raise tuition fee's put our generation in more debt, and once we start working we them pay higher taxes to give them even more pay?
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    Cap on all benefits
    Raise tax for low income families
    Lower tax for business owners and high income families
    Privatise fresh air
    Privatise the NHS
    Introduce a sleep tax for anyone who sleeps more than 4 hours within a 24 hour period

    Raise tuition fees to 27 grand a year.
    Lower minimum wage
    Introduce a new baby tax for every new child a low income family has.
    Introduce a mobile phone tax
    Introduce a beard tax
    Make it illegal for lower class families to rise to middle class and middle class to higher class.


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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    if you put the price of something up it reduces the supply. If 9k was not enough then maybe 27k is required?
    ...maybe, just maybe we shouldn't restrict acess to university by financial ability but rather restrict it by candidate's academic aptitude given quality of graduates isn't judged by how rich their parents are but by how well they perform academically and subsequently in work.
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    (Original post by swanderfeild)
    ...maybe, just maybe we shouldn't restrict acess to university by financial ability but rather restrict it by candidate's academic aptitude given quality of graduates isn't judged by how rich their parents are but by how well they perform academically and subsequently in work.
    i agree the system does need an overhaul in the long run but now we have an over supply of graduates.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    if you put the price of something up it reduces the supply.
    I thought Tories were the ones who claimed to be good at economics?

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I thought Tories were the ones who claimed to be good at economics?

    :rolleyes:
    i have a masters in economics brah.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    if you put the price of something up it reduces the supply. If 9k was not enough then maybe 27k is required?
    Not if you're not paying up front. Everyone knows graduates will not earn enough to repay their loans, particularly not the 9k onds which are set at an interest rate based on RPI not the base rate. In any case, I would rather select by meritocracy rather than whose daddy has the most money.
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    (Original post by a96clark)
    Absolutely not! If we want a better quality of MPs we need to raise the salary. The amount of stress, responsibility, abuse, etc. that they experience every day should warrant a very high salary. A lot of people with lots of potential who could be amazing politicians because they can chose to either go to politics for £50K or work for large international firms for multimillion pound salaries. This is why we're stuck with the current 'idiots'
    A lot of other people in different jobs also undergo stress and abuse (definitely not the huge responsibility though). I just don't see why getting the country out of debt has to come out of the minimum wage workers pay when the Conservatives are sat buying second houses and clearing out their moats. Why should those with a tiny income in comparison to 50k pay up when there's no doubt huge sums of money sat in their bank accounts?
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    i have a masters in economics brah.
    Clearly not in finance or common sense though or you would understand that not paying up front and the fact that everyone knows it won't ever be paid back means the demand will not go down. In economists' terms, because of the availability of loans, supply has not in fact been restricted.

    I guess all you did with your ecobomics course was regurgitate the textbook, common sense and original thought seems to be beyond you ...

    I'm doing a masters now: the most base, commoditised and marketised education I've ever done, no encouragement of independent thought whatsoever. Guess that's what happens when you male universities like businesses.
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    (Original post by a96clark)
    Absolutely not! If we want a better quality of MPs we need to raise the salary. The amount of stress, responsibility, abuse, etc. that they experience every day should warrant a very high salary. A lot of people with lots of potential who could be amazing politicians because they can chose to either go to politics for £50K or work for large international firms for multimillion pound salaries. This is why we're stuck with the current 'idiots'
    The current idiots are bad enough, can you imagine what it would be like if they were actually competent at what they wanted to do as well? Incompetence is the only thing saving this country and its people from oblivion tbh
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Clearly not in finance or common sense though or you would understand that not paying up front and the fact that everyone knows it won't ever be paid back means the demand will not go down. In economists' terms, because of the availability of loans, supply has not in fact been restricted.

    I guess all you did with your ecobomics course was regurgitate the textbook, common sense and original thought seems to be beyond you ...

    I'm doing a masters now: the most base, commoditised and marketised education I've ever done, no encouragement of independent thought whatsoever. Guess that's what happens when you male universities like businesses.
    lol i am way smarter than you brah, i can just tell by your replies. Masters is just something i did whilst running a business.

    I won't even give my educated reply to you, might blow your little mind brah. Plus i'm not giving my knowledge for free. Everything comes at a cost.

    RAISE THE TUITION FEES!!
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    lol i am way smarter than you brah, i can just tell by your replies. Masters is just something i did whilst running a business.

    I won't even give my educated reply to you, might blow your little mind brah. Plus i'm not giving my knowledge for free. Everything comes at a cost.

    RAISE THE TUITION FEES!!
    Why then do you want to raise tuition fees? Since it doesn't actually restrict supply and won't curb demand. Have the balls to say what you mean: you like the idea of an entire generation indebted to the state so they can be controlled.

    Oh and put away your pathetic hubris, it's very unbecoming. I highly doubt whether you're some kind of business brain: how much did daddy give you to set up this business? (Mind you I can almost believe it goven the seeming economic illiteracy and narrow-mindedness of almost every business person I have met.)
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    (Original post by djpatch)
    A lot of other people in different jobs also undergo stress and abuse (definitely not the huge responsibility though). I just don't see why getting the country out of debt has to come out of the minimum wage workers pay when the Conservatives are sat buying second houses and clearing out their moats. Why should those with a tiny income in comparison to 50k pay up when there's no doubt huge sums of money sat in their bank accounts?
    And those that have as much stress and abuse get a lot more money. I totally agree that we shouldn't make poor people pay more while the rich people pay less. It's a good job that it's only a socialist propaganda made up statement and not reality!
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Why then do you want to raise tuition fees? Since it doesn't actually restrict supply and won't curb demand. Have the balls to say what you mean: you like the idea of an entire generation indebted to the state so they can be controlled.

    Oh and put away your pathetic hubris, it's very unbecoming. I highly doubt whether you're some kind of business brain: how much did daddy give you to set up this business? (Mind you I can almost believe it goven the seeming economic illiteracy and narrow-mindedness of almost every business person I have met.)
    hey we make things happen, unlike you.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Yes more are going to university now devaluing its worth.
    No it doesn't. It just means we have more skilled people.

    I have a strong supporter of automation (robotics) and off-shoring, and for this to happen successfully we need to reduce the number of low-skilled workers in the UK.

    What we actually need to do is increase the quality of education. This means reforming education.

    There's a famous comparison I came across before on a thread about the Cold War: USSR education courses were far tougher than their European counterparts, and the discussion revolved around why USSR was more 'hardcore' than the Europe. The reason why? USSR wanted to get rid of weak people, while the Europe wanted to get the best out of people.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    ...but now we have an over supply of graduates.
    Hang on a second. I thought the Tory mantra was that the poor essentially deserve to be poor because they refuse to work hard and better themselves? But if they can't afford to go to university to better themselves then how is it their fault that they remain poor?

    (of course this is ignoring the fact that demand won't be properly restricted by a loan that doesn't have to be paid off...)
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    (Original post by Logi)
    Hang on a second. I thought the Tory mantra was that the poor essentially deserve to be poor because they refuse to work hard and better themselves? But if they can't afford to go to university to better themselves then how is it their fault that they remain poor?

    (of course this is ignoring the fact that demand won't be properly restricted by a loan that doesn't have to be paid off...)
    everyone can afford to go to university as it's provided by loans and grants. But if the price is high you will think twice about doing media studies and go into a trade instead? just like the good old days.
 
 
 
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