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Think the NHS is working at full capacity? Think class sizes are getting bigger? Think the welfare bill is getting out of control? Well the EU is about to propose a quota on each country legally requiring them to take migrants from north Africa. So much for laws requiring asylum in the first safe country. So much for national borders. So much for sovereignty. So much for knowing who is entering our country. According to the article the EU will also propose organising legal means for migrants to come to the EU. We might as well just throw open our doors and get rid of border control. I wonder what people think now about the EU referendum Cameron promised us if it'll stop our sovereignty being trampled all over by the Eurocrats.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32685942
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It's almost like they want us to leave the EU
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According to the EU they are declaring war on Britain on the matter

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/576...s-refugees-Med
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Why should we take them in? And how can the EU force us to do anything, just tell them to sling their hook and pay the fine, like France.
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Think the NHS is working at full capacity? Think class sizes are getting bigger? Think the welfare bill is getting out of control? Well the EU is about to propose a quota on each country legally requiring them to take migrants from north Africa. So much for laws requiring asylum in the first safe country. So much for national borders. So much for sovereignty. So much for knowing who is entering our country. According to the article the EU will also propose organising legal means for migrants to come to the EU. We might as well just throw open our doors and get rid of border control. I wonder what people think now about the EU referendum Cameron promised us if it'll stop our sovereignty being trampled all over by the Eurocrats.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32685942
Resettling people in Europe would tend to improve the incentives for those seeking to cross the Mediterranean, the problem they're trying to curb?

This will simply lead to more crossings.
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According to the EU they are declaring war on Britain on the matter

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/576...s-refugees-Med
Oh dear I can see that language gong down well with the masses

'Germany declares War!'
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Resettling people in Europe would tend to improve the incentives for those seeking to cross the Mediterranean, the problem they're trying to curb?

This will simply lead to more crossings.
mmhmm, ideally I think we should do nothing. But if the authoriities insist on fishing 'em out, just drop them back off where they came from.
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It's almost like they want us to leave the EU
The thing is that the EU is based on modern liberalism. The highest principle is the principle of non-discrimination. So they are never going to say, no, we aren't going to accept this. The upshot is that eventually liberalism inevitably will be displaced because of this inherent weakness - it can't defend itself. It's like having a malfunctioning immune system.
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mmhmm, ideally I think we should do nothing. But if the authoriities insist on fishing 'em out, just drop them back off where they came from.
The Australians have managed to stop crossings by making it clear that people will be re-settled in Papua New Guinea or Cambodia. That's what the EU needs to do to stop the crossings - make it clear that those coming will not be settled in Europe.

This would require some investment in the African countries that would take those making the crossing, but it would quickly lead to the numbers dropping off.
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Why should we take them in? And how can the EU force us to do anything, just tell them to sling their hook and pay the fine, like France.
The EU could follow Israel's approach?

According to the document, a state lawyer told the Israeli supreme court on Sunday that a deal had been reached with an unidentified country to absorb some migrants and that Israel was in talks with two other countries to secure a similar agreement. The details of the arrangement were not disclosed, although the state lawyer, Yochi Gnesin, said the return of migrants would be "gradual".

Few other details of the deal were available. Israeli Army Radio reported that the country was in east Africa and did not suffer from any unrest that would harm the migrants. The Haaretz daily said that Israel had agreed to provide agricultural expertise as part of the deal.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...rt-east-africa
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It is a difficult situation. Not so long ago, WWII veterans were being celebrated for taking children out from Nazi occupied areas and relocating them safely in Britain. These people DO need to be looked after. Are we doing it in the best way? Maybe not. Bringing them here won't help but we shouldn't forget that most of these people DO NOT want to risk their lives on overcrowded boats, and in their own words, they have no choice due to political situations in their country.

If this is to be resolved, a key issue that will need to be addressed is the state of the home countries.
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It is a difficult situation. Not so long ago, WWII veterans were being celebrated for taking children out from Nazi occupied areas and relocating them safely in Britain. These people DO need to be looked after. Are we doing it in the best way? Maybe not. Bringing them here won't help but we shouldn't forget that most of these people DO NOT want to risk their lives on overcrowded boats, and in their own words, they have no choice due to political situations in their country.

If this is to be resolved, a key issue that will need to be addressed is the state of the home countries.
That's true. Utlimately, the EU may have to look at working to improve the governance in those countries. The tension is that the old European administrations objectively provided better governance/infrastructure, but people naturally resent being ruled by members of another group.

There are no schools here, no clinics, no electricity, no roads. It can take a year for basic necessities ordered from the capital, Kinshasa, nearly 2,000 kilometers downstream, to make it here — if they make it at all. At one point we pass a cargo barge that has taken three months to travel the same distance we will cover in two days. We stop in the hope of buying some gasoline, but all we get from the vessel are rats….

Le Blanc isn't much concerned with that history; he lives in the present, in a country where education is a luxury and death is everywhere. Around 45,000 people die each month in the DRC as a result of the social collapse brought on by civil war, according to a study released in January by the International Rescue Committee. It estimated the total loss of life between 1998 and April 2007 at 5.4 million. For many Congolese like Le Blanc, the difficulties of today blot out the cruelties of the past. "On this river, all that you see — the buildings, the boats — only whites did that. After the whites left, the Congolese did not work. We did not know how to. For the past 50 years, we've just declined." He pauses. "They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free."
http://content.time.com/time/world/a...713275,00.html
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Think the NHS is working at full capacity? Think class sizes are getting bigger? Think the welfare bill is getting out of control? Well the EU is about to propose a quota on each country legally requiring them to take migrants from north Africa. So much for laws requiring asylum in the first safe country. So much for national borders. So much for sovereignty. So much for knowing who is entering our country. According to the article the EU will also propose organising legal means for migrants to come to the EU. We might as well just throw open our doors and get rid of border control. I wonder what people think now about the EU referendum Cameron promised us if it'll stop our sovereignty being trampled all over by the Eurocrats.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32685942
the EU are getting desperate to keep us

they know this - ‘You Don’t Know What You Have Until It’s Gone"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ring-plan.html
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If this is true, all the more reason to leave the EU. I hope for the day we get that referendum
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Resettling people in Europe would tend to improve the incentives for those seeking to cross the Mediterranean, the problem they're trying to curb?

This will simply lead to more crossings.
They said that reducing the patrols would reduce the migrant numbers, they increased... Considering where these people are coming from I would suggest that there is pretty much no realistic method of significantly dis-incentivising their journey.


What people seem to fail to realise as well is that once they are in EU territory asylum seekers CANNOT be' sent back', to do so would be against international law.
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These people are welfare migrants. Not economic migrants. Not refugees. But welfare migrants.

The vast majority come from sub saharan Africa and they deliberately travel into war zones to reach Europe.
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Thankfully Britain has a veto on this proposal so we wont be forced to accept them.
We need to make sure that these people aren't drowning, but by saying that anyone who reaches Europe will be allowed to stay will cause more people making the perilous journey across the Mediterranean.
In the short term we need to rescue the people and then only allow in the ones who genuinely need asylum, and then in the long term stop the boats coming across, and anyone who is in genuine need of asylum should be taken to Europe in a way that wont risk their lives.
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This is the problem with Liberals, high emotional IQ, but low logical IQ.
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Out of the new soviet PC super state now. Britain first and British people first.
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Out of the new soviet PC super state now. Britain first and British people first.
What drugs you taking?
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