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    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...et-in-18-years

    So what are Boris Johnson and Ian Duncan-Smith doing in it then? :lol:

    Also depressing to see the entirely non-environmental Amber Rudd as Environment Secretary. Her only activism in the field was to nimbyishly oppose a by-pass in her constituency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd

    It's depressing that Cameron has again reached for someone with no science background and no understanding of, or commitment to, climate change agendas, as Environment Secretary.

    And what happened to 'One Nation' already? Ian Duncan-Smith is to continue his campaign against the poor, thinly dressed up as helping them, in the fine Victorian tradition of the Poor Laws and the Workhouse. It only really remains to propose that all sewers be closed as 'an undue assistance to the undeserving multitude'.
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    so happy they appointed amber as environment secretary, let's start using renewable methods which are economically viable, such as hydro (tidal and wave power)! Bring on the sensible renewable revolution
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)

    Rich kids tend to misunderstand the working classes. We get annoyed with people having a free ride.

    How's Oxbridge?
    What? So out of touch rich types can only be out of touch if they are "left" but when they are running the country it is fine

    Be consistent.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...et-in-18-years

    So what are Boris Johnson and Ian Duncan-Smith doing in it then? :lol:

    Also depressing to see the entirely non-environmental Amber Rudd as Environment Secretary. Her only activism in the field was to nimbyishly oppose a by-pass in her constituency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd

    It's depressing that Cameron has again reached for someone with no science background and no understanding of, or commitment to, climate change agendas, as Environment Secretary.

    And what happened to 'One Nation' already? Ian Duncan-Smith is to continue his campaign against the poor, thinly dressed up as helping them, in the fine Victorian tradition of the Poor Laws and the Workhouse. It only really remains to propose that all sewers be closed as 'an undue assistance to the undeserving multitude'.
    Oh shush. The Conservatives won, it's hardly surprising the new cabinet is full of conservatives.

    Duncan-Smith for example has a decent record with universal credit, and the numbers of long-term unemployed are significantly down and still falling. Yes you can imagine sinister motives if you want, but the aim has always been to help. You can disagree with the methods, but most people don't. In any case, it's not as if Milliband wanted to reverse most of the changes. The only one he actually pledged to get rid of was the PR disaster of the bedroom 'tax', which amounts to window dressing.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Also depressing to see the entirely non-environmental Amber Rudd as Environment Secretary. Her only activism in the field was to nimbyishly oppose a by-pass in her constituency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd

    It's depressing that Cameron has again reached for someone with no science background and no understanding of, or commitment to, climate change agendas, as Environment Secretary.
    Au contraire. Climate realists are not remotely impressed with Amber Rudd's appointment: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015...rgy-secretary/

    Satisfied overall with Osbourne, Hammond, IDS and Gove, and would like to see John Whittingdale sort out the BBC as Culture Secretary (their rather telling tweet was swiftly deleted )



    Other than that, may as well be a Labour government. Bring on the back bench rebellions.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Lol, time to let go of that huge chip. Apart from anything else, you have an incredibly distorted and out of date view of Oxbridge.

    Why not comment on the many excellent choices that you doubtless think David Cameron has made, rather than making nasty personal remarks?
    No personal remarks there my dear. You and your ilk like to make outlandish generalisations. Why can't I generalise that you're a middle class champagne socialist.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    Au contraire. Climate realists are not remotely impressed with Amber Rudd's appointment: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015...rgy-secretary/

    Satisfied overall with Osbourne, Hammond, IDS and Gove, and would like to see John Whittingdale sort out the BBC as Culture Secretary (their rather telling tweet was swiftly deleted )



    Other than that, may as well be a Labour government. Bring on the back bench rebellions.
    Whittingdale does seem to be a bit of an old unreconstructed feral Tory right winger based on that voting record, but to be fair to him, he has often seemed fair and objective when chairing the culture committee, although he probably had to look that way.

    I still think though that the secret agenda will be further privatisation of the BBC by stealth means, they are already talking this morning about re-introducing privatisation of Channel 4 and I'm sure they will want to break up the BBC.

    Arguably the Beeb do some things which they should not do though and it is admittedly getting harder to justify the license fee. It would make life worse in the UK though to have no advert-free broadcaster with a big budget, we have had so many excellent dramas and comedies for example, that few others would have touched. Yes, there is HBO, Netflix, etc, but that's mainly US production.

    On the climate change thing, perhaps it is good news that the denialists dislike her - time will tell I suppose. It's good that she thinks (if the quote is accurate) that science matters more than hysterical lies and distortions paid for by the oil and coal industries.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    No personal remarks there my dear. You and your ilk like to make outlandish generalisations. Why can't I generalise that you're a middle class champagne socialist.
    It would be nice to have more champagne in my life. It's been a while. :giggle:
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...et-in-18-years

    So what are Boris Johnson and Ian Duncan-Smith doing in it then? :lol:
    Boris isn't the Government...?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...et-in-18-years

    So what are Boris Johnson and Ian Duncan-Smith doing in it then? :lol:

    Also depressing to see the entirely non-environmental Amber Rudd as Environment Secretary. Her only activism in the field was to nimbyishly oppose a by-pass in her constituency.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd

    It's depressing that Cameron has again reached for someone with no science background and no understanding of, or commitment to, climate change agendas, as Environment Secretary.

    And what happened to 'One Nation' already? Ian Duncan-Smith is to continue his campaign against the poor, thinly dressed up as helping them, in the fine Victorian tradition of the Poor Laws and the Workhouse. It only really remains to propose that all sewers be closed as 'an undue assistance to the undeserving multitude'.
    the Workhouse is unfairly demonized; it is a sensible and affordable solution to two of the main problems afflicting society today; namely, work and housing.

    building one of these community dwelling projects for each town with say 1000 studio rooms and communal workshops would provide 1000s of jobs in the stagnant building industry. brownfield sites would be ideal.

    the people living and working here would naturally have to abide by rules against drugs, drunkenness and fornication etc.
    local businesses would be encouraged to offer fulltime jobs to those members of the WH community who proved willing to better themselves.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    the Workhouse is unfairly demonized; it is a sensible and affordable solution to two of the main problems afflicting society today; namely, work and housing.

    building one of these community dwelling projects for each town with say 1000 studio rooms and communal workshops would provide 1000s of jobs in the stagnant building industry. brownfield sites would be ideal.

    the people living here would naturally have to abide by rules against drugs, drunkenness and fornication etc.
    local businesses would be encouraged to offer fulltime jobs to those members of the WH community who proved willing to better themselves.
    If it was done right, good idea. I don't think nearly enough is actually being done to try to turn round people who are severely unemployed, especially people from families in generations of unemployment. In that sense, I agree with Duncan Smith, but despite the analysis, the outcome mainly seems to be further reductions in benefits. Did you hear that bit this morning that they are proposing a further total payments cap for a family? I'm sure they imagine this will nudge more people into work, but I doubt that will be the effect for the severely marginalised families - it will just be increases in child poverty.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    If it was done right, good idea. I don't think nearly enough is actually being done to try to turn round people who are severely unemployed, especially people from families in generations of unemployment. In that sense, I agree with Duncan Smith, but despite the analysis, the outcome mainly seems to be further reductions in benefits. Did you hear that bit this morning that they are proposing a further total payments cap for a family? I'm sure they imagine this will nudge more people into work, but I doubt that will be the effect for the severely marginalised families - it will just be increases in child poverty.
    the only solution is hard work. sitting around feeling sorry for yourself does not get you anywhere.

    the game is up for these people:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/483...ill-won-t-work
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I still think though that the secret agenda will be further privatisation of the BBC by stealth means, they are already talking this morning about re-introducing privatisation of Channel 4 and I'm sure they will want to break up the BBC.

    Arguably the Beeb do some things which they should not do though and it is admittedly getting harder to justify the license fee. It would make life worse in the UK though to have no advert-free broadcaster with a big budget, we have had so many excellent dramas and comedies for example, that few others would have touched. Yes, there is HBO, Netflix, etc, but that's mainly US production.
    The license fee has done and continues to do a lot for British culture. I always find it odd and more than a bit ironic when the same people calling for more controls on immigration, deporting foreigners etc. in order to "preserve British culture", are at the same time quite happy to see the BBC dismantled, commercialised or simply obliterated, despite it being one of the fundemental pillars of that British culture for more than half a century.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    The license fee has done and continues to do a lot for British culture. I always find it odd and more than a bit ironic when the same people calling for more controls on immigration, deporting foreigners etc. in order to "preserve British culture", are at the same time quite happy to see the BBC dismantled, commercialised or simply obliterated, despite it being one of the fundemental pillars of that British culture for more than half a century.
    as i mentioned elsewhere the BBC is relying on its past achievements. during the war the BBC provided sterling service in bolstering the Nation's morale in our Darkest Hour. also the BBC serviced the brave men and women ( whose memorial was shamefully abused by lowlifes after the election ) working in Occupied Europe for SOE and other organisations.
    now the BBC is undermining the Nation's morale with an insidious infusion of multicultural atheistical left wing poison.
    and we are expected to pay for the privilege. you could not make it up.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    The license fee has done and continues to do a lot for British culture. I always find it odd and more than a bit ironic when the same people calling for more controls on immigration, deporting foreigners etc. in order to "preserve British culture", are at the same time quite happy to see the BBC dismantled, commercialised or simply obliterated, despite it being one of the fundemental pillars of that British culture for more than half a century.
    There seems to be an underlying disrespect for what British culture truly means and a lack of respect for tradition in, surprisingly, what used to be the bastion of tradition, the British Right.

    There are other examples:

    - a lack of real concern for the Union - Cameron was basically willing to ditch it with offensive remarks in order to fulfill Crosby's campaign to get him elected. So were other leading Tories.

    - traditions of fair play/decency - see tax: bedroom as an example.

    - respect for the traditions of the House - largely disappeared, the Tory campaign against the Speaker these last few years has been a disgrace.

    - willingness to dispose of any British interests to China, Arab countries, etc.

    - willingness to carve up British state assets and sell them to the lowest bidder, so long as the bidder is a Tory chum.

    - disregard for the landscapes of Britain - they want to annex the Green Belts and don't care about the forests or national parks. English Heritage has been broken up and denied budget.

    Etc, etc...

    Modern Right Capitalism, red in tooth and claw, has no place for old fashioned decency, love of countryside, respect for British traditions or any of it in fact. :sad:
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    as i mentioned elsewhere the BBC is relying on its past achievements. during the war the BBC provided sterling service in bolstering the Nation's morale in our Darkest Hour. also the BBC serviced the brave men and women ( whose memorial was shamefully abused by lowlifes after the election ) working in Occupied Europe for SOE and other organisations.
    now the BBC is undermining the Nation's morale with an insidious infusion of multicultural atheistical left wing poison.
    and we are expected to pay for the privilege. you could not make it up.
    Which memorial are you talking about and which election? 1945? You are digging back!

    Is bear a very, very old bear?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Which memorial are you talking about and which election? 1945? You are digging back!

    Is bear a very, very old bear?
    just digging back to last week lol

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ial-ve-5670492
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    (Original post by the bear)
    now the BBC is undermining the Nation's morale with an insidious infusion of multicultural atheistical left wing poison.
    and we are expected to pay for the privilege. you could not make it up.
    We pay for the privilege of having a TV, radio and news network that is nearly impervious to corporate bullying. Top Gear's a famous example, motor companies often respond to scathing reviews by cutting ads/sponsorship from the network who broadcast it, but against the BBC that obviously had no effect. Plenty of things the BBC does would never be possible if they were held to ransom by advertisers and sponsors all the time.

    BTW most independent studies put the beeb as having a right-wing bias, and historically it's generally been very right-wing, more so obviously when it was a fully nationalised service. Also calling them atheist is a bit perculiar when they continue to run Christian-based programming on literally a daily basis.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    We pay for the privilege of having a TV, radio and news network that is nearly impervious to corporate bullying. Top Gear's a famous example, motor companies often respond to scathing reviews by cutting ads/sponsorship from the network who broadcast it, but against the BBC that obviously had no effect. Plenty of things the BBC does would never be possible if they were held to ransom by advertisers and sponsors all the time.

    BTW most independent studies put the beeb as having a right-wing bias, and historically it's generally been very right-wing, more so obviously when it was a fully nationalised service. Also calling them atheist is a bit perculiar when they continue to run Christian-based programming on literally a daily basis.
    they are inexorably eroding the positive perception of Christians in our country ; gradually they are endeavouring to marginalise us and make us figures of fun. please name one "cool" Christian on the BBC...
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    (Original post by the bear)
    just digging back to last week lol

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ial-ve-5670492
    Ooo. Missed that story. What a disgusting thing to do, some people really are clueless idiots.

    My apologies. I thought bear was engaged in a massive retro thing. :teehee:
 
 
 
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