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Lord Sugar Quits Labour

http://news.sky.com/story/1481816/lo...erprise-labour

Lord Sugar has announced he has quit the Labour party because of its "negative business policies and the general anti-enterprise concepts".
The Apprentice star said he had lost confidence in the party over the last year and that it had been "aware of my disillusionment for some time".
Lord Sugar said he informed the party of his decision on Friday and kept his intentions quiet during the election campaign rather than use them to "possibly damage" Labour's election chances.
He was appointed a peer by the previous Labour administration in 2009, but attacked the vision outlined during Ed Miliband's tenure.

n a statement, Lord Sugar said: "In the past year I found myself losing confidence in the party due to their negative business policies and the general anti-enterprise concepts they were considering if they were to be elected.
"I expressed this to the most senior figures in the party several times."
He continued: "I was originally brought into the party by Gordon Brown during an era where true enterprise was being supported by the party.
"I signed on to New Labour in 1997 but more recently, particularly in relation to business, I sensed a policy shift moving back towards what Old Labour stood for.
"By the start of this year, I had made my decision to resign from the party whatever the outcome of the General Election.
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Basically if Labour is a Tory Party in disguise, people like Sugar are happy being in it. As soon as it stops being a Tory Party in disguise and switches back to being a Labour Party, they leave in disgust.
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He didn't quit so much as tell them "you're fired".
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Basically if Labour is a Tory Party in disguise, people like Sugar are happy being in it. As soon as it stops being a Tory Party in disguise and switches back to being a Labour Party, they leave in disgust.
Pretty much like their voters then.
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Pretty much like their voters then.
Ha, well, the voters who get their ideas from the Mail, the Sun, etc.

They had interviews with voters in Nuneaton on BBC this morning. Asked why they didn't vote Labour, one said she was upset about the fact that housing benefit claimants live in better housing than working renters (not true in almost every case, but a key campaign of the Mail/Sun, etc) and another complained that newly arrived immigrants could easily claim unemployed benefits. (Also not true and also a right-wing media campaign.) A third talked about Labour causing the last recession, utter rubbish, but a key media campaign.

And they say that the papers have no influence nowadays. :rolleyes:
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Not even a Labour supporter but, frankly, good riddance.
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They were always going to accept his money, but to be honest, someone prominently stylising himself as "Lord" on social media ought not to be a member of a socialist political party.
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Ha, well, the voters who get their ideas from the Mail, the Sun, etc.

They had interviews with voters in Nuneaton on BBC this morning. Asked why they didn't vote Labour, one said she was upset about the fact that housing benefit claimants live in better housing than working renters (not true in almost every case, but a key campaign of the Mail/Sun, etc) and another complained that newly arrived immigrants could easily claim unemployed benefits. (Also not true and also a right-wing media campaign.) A third talked about Labour causing the last recession, utter rubbish, but a key media campaign.

And they say that the papers have no influence nowadays. :rolleyes:
You're never going to have a fully informed and rational voting electorate though. Politics is too broad for people to properly research every avenue. Even MP's themselves flounder at specific question outside their area of policy, the general pubic are always going to be heavily dependant upon the media to inform them of key issues, especially for those who don't follow politics for 4 years at a time. The media war is always going to be an important component, but its a chicken and the egg situation anyway. For the Sun there is the Mirror for the Mail there is the Guardian. Two of those papers have larger circulations. You can argue that that is why the right won the media war, but there is the other side. People read the news they want to hear, the news that reinforces views they already hold. There is nothing to stop a purchaser of the Sun picking up the Mirror.

However the point stands Labour/Old Labour are a party with a smaller support base than New Labour in present day Britain. Its a fallacy to assume Labour in all its guises would have the same support from the same individuals. Sugar like a large portion of the electorate was not so much a Labour supporter, he has a political position which the Labour party once occupied. He began supporting when it became New Labour, why would you assume he, or anyone else for that matter, would continue when it no longer was?
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"You can never win from the Left in Britain"

Unless a Blairite takes over the Tories have a guaranteed 10-year term.
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Ha, well, the voters who get their ideas from the Mail, the Sun, etc.

They had interviews with voters in Nuneaton on BBC this morning. Asked why they didn't vote Labour, one said she was upset about the fact that housing benefit claimants live in better housing than working renters (not true in almost every case, but a key campaign of the Mail/Sun, etc) and another complained that newly arrived immigrants could easily claim unemployed benefits. (Also not true and also a right-wing media campaign.) A third talked about Labour causing the last recession, utter rubbish, but a key media campaign.

And they say that the papers have no influence nowadays. :rolleyes:
The British people aren't that stupid, although at times they seem so.

As much as you want them shipped off to a camp for political re-indoctrination, that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Socialism is dead. It will remain dead.
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Alan Sugar just looks like a hobo's ballsack. I'm not surprised he jumped ship the moment they lost, same with Brand.
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Ha, well, the voters who get their ideas from the Mail, the Sun, etc. They had interviews with voters in Nuneaton on BBC this morning. Asked why they didn't vote Labour, one said she was upset about the fact that housing benefit claimants live in better housing than working renters (not true in almost every case, but a key campaign of the Mail/Sun, etc) and another complained that newly arrived immigrants could easily claim unemployed benefits. (Also not true and also a right-wing media campaign.) A third talked about Labour causing the last recession, utter rubbish, but a key media campaign. And they say that the papers have no influence nowadays. :rolleyes:
You act like there are no left-wing papers spouting all the same nonsense about how the Tories eat babies or how they want to scrap the NHS and replace it with concentration camps for communists. This 'bias' in the media also affects other parties - UKIP have been branded racist in virtually every newspaper and publication, yet they still came out with an astonishing amount of voted. Perhaps you should just accept that the general public was scared of what might happen under Ed or a Lab/SNP coalition, instead of snidely remarking on how stupid or impressionable you think the public is, showing the same contempt that condemned the Labour party to failure.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Ha, well, the voters who get their ideas from the Mail, the Sun, etc.

They had interviews with voters in Nuneaton on BBC this morning. Asked why they didn't vote Labour, one said she was upset about the fact that housing benefit claimants live in better housing than working renters (not true in almost every case, but a key campaign of the Mail/Sun, etc) and another complained that newly arrived immigrants could easily claim unemployed benefits. (Also not true and also a right-wing media campaign.) A third talked about Labour causing the last recession, utter rubbish, but a key media campaign.

And they say that the papers have no influence nowadays. :rolleyes:
You've lost the point completely.

The fact is that some people do live in better houses than those who rent. It's the fact that this system exists which is the farce, be it even for 500 people rather than 50 000.

Welfare is horrendously easy to claim in this country as a newcomer.

Labour did not cause the recession, but absolutely did cause the slow recovery and debt crisis, there's no doubt in that.
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"You can never win from the Left in Britain"

Unless a Blairite takes over the Tories have a guaranteed 10-year term.
Have faith, vote UKIP

and to all Labout voters, switch your colours to purple, we shall defeat Tories
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Surprised he wasn't with the conservatives anyway, being a high profile business individual.
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Have faith, vote UKIP

and to all Labout voters, switch your colours to purple, we shall defeat Tories
UKIP is the least-left wing party in the UK after we eliminate the British National Party, the Libertarian Party and the Islamic Party of Britain.
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This is a war of ideology, those in power use their machinery to attack the other side, this is where Miliband was an utter schmuck and Blair was a genius, Blair knew he had to have power on his side to wage ideological warfare, he had to offer serious competition to the Tory narrative that was appealing to the masses.

Why do you think Blair's government used spin so much?
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UKIP is the least-left wing party in the UK after we eliminate the British National Party, the Libertarian Party and the Islamic Party of Britain.
So?
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So?
i was talking about left-wing parties..
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