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    The simple answer is people in Scotland want more power within the Britain. However it isn't really as simple as this. Scotland is within the Parliamentary Union mainly to gain access to the English and London market. Within the EU Scotland has to compete with the rest of the EU for the English and London market. Since this competition has got harder and harder for Scotland it seeks more and more independence from London within Parliamentary Union so it can protect itself. If this continues Scotland will leave the Parliamentary Union and seek to join the EU. This would mean Scotland has more power, but the same access as every other EU member. This is why people have voted for the SNP they are the ones leading Scotland in this direction. The only thing which could stop this happening now is the breakup of the EU or war.

    I see this vast SNP vote as excellent news. It means Labour can never win a majority in Parliament ever again. So the Conservatives will now give the SNP and Scotland things which they couldn't have done so before. Now I believe the EU will break apart within this Parliament. Giving Scotland as massive economy advantage and reinforcing the Union of Parliaments. What I expect to happen is the UK votes to leave the EU, Scotland votes to stay, the SNP push for another referendum on Scottish independence. Then while this is taking place events in Europe overtake the politics in Britain. With Poland leaving the EU, followed by France and Italy. Even if Britain votes to stay in the EU the trend is for the EU to break apart within the next 5-10 years.

    The trouble with Scottish independence isn't the Scottish economy. It is the likelihood of civil war in Scotland. The same things which took place in Ireland, could take place in Scotland. With the lowland area wanting to remain in the Parliamentary Union and the Highland area wanting to leave. Two cities Glasgow and Edinburgh wanting different things.
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    I voted SNP. As I felt Nicola Sturgeon was excellent during the leaders debates, I like my local SNP candidate as he has campaigned against the existence of the House of Lords and to deliver the powers that were promised during the referendum. "Damn near Federalism", "Devo-Max" and "Home Rule".


    I want to stay in the EU as I like being apart of the common market and the ECHR as it would put the breaks on a Tory Government. I quite like Nicola Sturgeon's proposal of a triple lock on the EU referendum, could also test what David Cameron means by the Union being a 'family of nations' . If Scotland were to be dragged out the EU, I would want either another referendum on Scottish Independence or a 'Scotland Treaty' much like the 'Greenland Treaty' where Greenland left the EU but Denmark stayed.

    http://www.verfassungsblog.de/en/bre...e-of-a-brexit/
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    (Original post by william walker)
    The simple answer is people in Scotland want more power within the Britain.
    No really why I voted for them...
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    I thought this was illuminating:

    But how can that be? Isn’t the SNP left-wing? Not really, or at least, its economic policies are not. As the IFS said, its policies on public spending cuts are, if anything, slightly to the right of Labour. Until 2 months ago, the SNP was proposing cuts to corporation tax and, since 2010, it has cut NHS spending in real-terms. It is, says John McDermott, a lot less radical than you might think. It has its socially conservative wing too. Some of its members were bitterly opposed to gay marriage and a few of its MSPs voted against it.

    This isn’t really surprising. Surveys of social attitudes keep showing that there is very little difference between Scotland and the rest of the UK. Like everywhere else, Scotland has its socialists, social democrats, economic and social liberals, fiscal and social conservatives, big staters and small staters. The only odd thing about Scotland is that all of these manage to co-exist within the SNP.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    No really why I voted for them...
    So why did you vote for them?
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    Because most of the Scottish people will fall hook, line and sinker for socialist rhetoric.
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    (Original post by SausageMan)
    I voted SNP. As I felt Nicola Sturgeon was excellent during the leaders debates, I like my local SNP candidate as he has campaigned against the existence of the House of Lords and to deliver the powers that were promised during the referendum. "Damn near Federalism", "Devo-Max" and "Home Rule".


    I want to stay in the EU as I like being apart of the common market and the ECHR as it would put the breaks on a Tory Government. I quite like Nicola Sturgeon's proposal of a triple lock on the EU referendum, could also test what David Cameron means by the Union being a 'family of nations' . If Scotland were to be dragged out the EU, I would want either another referendum on Scottish Independence or a 'Scotland Treaty' much like the 'Greenland Treaty' where Greenland left the EU but Denmark stayed.

    http://www.verfassungsblog.de/en/bre...e-of-a-brexit/
    What does Sturgeon have to do with the SNP MP's. Her leadership doesn't mean anything when she isn't an MP. The truth is that you just want more power and more independence from London.

    You can only support and use the EU as leverage so long as it exists. Within 3-10 year the EU will no longer exist. So your support for the EU will be meaningless. The government isn't Tory, it is Conservative or classical Liberal. The Tory party was dissolved in 1834.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    What does Sturgeon have to do with the SNP MP's. Her leadership doesn't mean anything when she isn't an MP. The truth is that you just want more power and more independence from London.

    You can only support and use the EU as leverage so long as it exists. Within 3-10 year the EU will no longer exist. So your support for the EU will be meaningless. The government isn't Tory, it is Conservative or classical Liberal. The Tory party was dissolved in 1834.
    She the leader of the party. Jim Murphy is the leader of Scottish Labour, yet he doesn't sit as a MP or MSP. I did vote Yes in the Independence referendum .

    Site your sources. I don't believe that the EU will be no longer in 10 years time. However I hope the Union will end in 10 years time. Tory, Conservative and Liberal are just different shades of the right-wing brush.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    So why did you vote for them?
    To get a more effective local MP than the Labour candidate who'd been pretty absent from the constituency.
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    (Original post by SausageMan)
    She the leader of the party. Jim Murphy is the leader of Scottish Labour, yet he doesn't sit as a MP or MSP. I did vote Yes in the Independence referendum .

    Site your sources. I don't believe that the EU will be no longer in 10 years time. However I hope the Union will end in 10 years time. Tory, Conservative and Liberal are just different shades of the right-wing brush.
    Jim Murphy lives in Scotland and will be running for a MSP seat. Though I think he is terrible as a person and for Scottish Labour. I though you will have voting for a Scottish state. You need not think I will forget it.

    There is a book by George Friedman called "Flashpoints the emerging crisis in Europe". This is my source. If the EU goes first the Parliamentary Union will be maintained. No the Tories are High Tories. The Conservatives are Liberal, as are the Liberals.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    To get a more effective local MP than the Labour candidate who'd been pretty absent from the constituency.
    So you wanted a local MP? Because you think you matter more to a local person.
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    To summarise the OP:

    This is why you voted for the SNP and this is why you are wrong. If you disagree then tell me why you voted for the SNP and I will explain why you are wrong.


    Then again, no doubt I'm wrong.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    So you wanted a local MP? Because you think you matter more to a local person.
    Well we vote for a constituency MP.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    The simple answer is people in Scotland want more power within the Britain. However it isn't really as simple as this. Scotland is within the Parliamentary Union mainly to gain access to the English and London market. Within the EU Scotland has to compete with the rest of the EU for the English and London market. Since this competition has got harder and harder for Scotland it seeks more and more independence from London within Parliamentary Union so it can protect itself. If this continues Scotland will leave the Parliamentary Union and seek to join the EU. This would mean Scotland has more power, but the same access as every other EU member. This is why people have voted for the SNP they are the ones leading Scotland in this direction. The only thing which could stop this happening now is the breakup of the EU or war.

    I see this vast SNP vote as excellent news. It means Labour can never win a majority in Parliament ever again. So the Conservatives will now give the SNP and Scotland things which they couldn't have done so before. Now I believe the EU will break apart within this Parliament. Giving Scotland as massive economy advantage and reinforcing the Union of Parliaments. What I expect to happen is the UK votes to leave the EU, Scotland votes to stay, the SNP push for another referendum on Scottish independence. Then while this is taking place events in Europe overtake the politics in Britain. With Poland leaving the EU, followed by France and Italy. Even if Britain votes to stay in the EU the trend is for the EU to break apart within the next 5-10 years.

    The trouble with Scottish independence isn't the Scottish economy. It is the likelihood of civil war in Scotland. The same things which took place in Ireland, could take place in Scotland. With the lowland area wanting to remain in the Parliamentary Union and the Highland area wanting to leave. Two cities Glasgow and Edinburgh wanting different things.
    YES! To Scotland's Independence !
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    (Original post by Vlad83)
    YES! To Scotland's Independence !
    I don't belief it is going to happen because the EU will break apart before it does.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Well we vote for a constituency MP.
    Yes however you want someone who was born and raised in your area. Not someone who was imported from London.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    The simple answer is people in Scotland want more power within the Britain. However it isn't really as simple as this. Scotland is within the Parliamentary Union mainly to gain access to the English and London market. Within the EU Scotland has to compete with the rest of the EU for the English and London market. Since this competition has got harder and harder for Scotland it seeks more and more independence from London within Parliamentary Union so it can protect itself. If this continues Scotland will leave the Parliamentary Union and seek to join the EU. This would mean Scotland has more power, but the same access as every other EU member. This is why people have voted for the SNP they are the ones leading Scotland in this direction. The only thing which could stop this happening now is the breakup of the EU or war.

    I see this vast SNP vote as excellent news. It means Labour can never win a majority in Parliament ever again. So the Conservatives will now give the SNP and Scotland things which they couldn't have done so before. Now I believe the EU will break apart within this Parliament. Giving Scotland as massive economy advantage and reinforcing the Union of Parliaments. What I expect to happen is the UK votes to leave the EU, Scotland votes to stay, the SNP push for another referendum on Scottish independence. Then while this is taking place events in Europe overtake the politics in Britain. With Poland leaving the EU, followed by France and Italy. Even if Britain votes to stay in the EU the trend is for the EU to break apart within the next 5-10 years.

    The trouble with Scottish independence isn't the Scottish economy. It is the likelihood of civil war in Scotland. The same things which took place in Ireland, could take place in Scotland. With the lowland area wanting to remain in the Parliamentary Union and the Highland area wanting to leave. Two cities Glasgow and Edinburgh wanting different things.
    Quite a bit of this post seems genuinely insane. I know you like to think of yourself as some kind of silent watcher, guarding the realms of protestantism, loyalism and unionism. Everyone who isn't a loyalist nutter would laugh at you for that. There will be no civil war. The only areas in Scotland which voted for independence were in the Lowlands, so where you're getting your Lowland/Highland split from, I don't know. This isn't the 1700s, no matter how many of you Ireland-obsessed bigots want it to be.
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    In my limited time here I've enjoyed arguing with people even when I utterly disgree with them. This is because through debate we learn about the views of others and also our own opinions and beliefs may solidify, become clarified or evolve - the Socratic method.

    But I don't think there is much educational value to be found in debating with the original poster.
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    (Original post by Gordon1985)
    Quite a bit of this post seems genuinely insane. I know you like to think of yourself as some kind of silent watcher, guarding the realms of protestantism, loyalism and unionism. Everyone who isn't a loyalist nutter would laugh at you for that. There will be no civil war. The only areas in Scotland which voted for independence were in the Lowlands, so where you're getting your Lowland/Highland split from, I don't know. This isn't the 1700s, no matter how many of you Ireland-obsessed bigots want it to be.
    I can assure you many of the Loyalists in Ulster aren't High Tories. Then again I guess you think the conflict in Ireland was about Catholic vs Protestant. Protestantism, Loyalism and Unionism are different things, they can't be lumped together as you just did. The civil war wouldn't be dependent upon you, it would be a conflict to decide who is dominant in Scotland. The same way their was an Irish civil war. If Loyalist do seek to remain part of the British state say along the border or the islands I would support them. Say Edinburgh voted to remain in the Union and Glasgow voted to leave and swung the vote. Just as in Ireland the two major cities would disagree. I count the Edinburgh-Glasgow split as a continuation of the Highland-Lowland split, the High cultural and legacy basis for Scotland is the Highlands. Though people in Glasgow and Dundee voted for independence for economic reasons. But what I was talking about in Ireland happened in the early 1900's, not the 1700's.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    In my limited time here I've enjoyed arguing with people even when I utterly disgree with them. This is because through debate we learn about the views of others and also our own opinions and beliefs may solidify, become clarified or evolve - the Socratic method.

    But I don't think there is much educational value to be found in debating with the original poster.
    Jolly good then, so why are you posting. Just to do a backhanded insult?
 
 
 
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