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Hi there. I would just like to see what you think about the morse course, I have noticed that some of you in here plan to take it.

Is the maths easier than what you would do in a pure maths degree (e.g. MMath)? I had a look through the course modules and found that most pure maths modules are optional and not something part of the core degree (e.g. differential equations, advanced differentiation, further algebra etc). Does this mean that I will not get a "proper" maths degree? Could I continue to study for a PhD in maths after the 4year mmorse?

Anything you got.....

Is the maths easier than what you would do in a pure maths degree (e.g. MMath)? I had a look through the course modules and found that most pure maths modules are optional and not something part of the core degree (e.g. differential equations, advanced differentiation, further algebra etc). Does this mean that I will not get a "proper" maths degree? Could I continue to study for a PhD in maths after the 4year mmorse?

Anything you got.....

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Most people tend to think of morse as a very hard course and I guess that it would be opinion whether its easier or harder than plain maths... IMO I think that it would be about the same in dificulty... both courses have loads of options and what I liked about morse was the fact that I can choose to do more economics and stats and less maths if i wanted to but with plain maths i am stuck with the maths but i can still do a bit of economics in the options i think... that way i can focus in what i am good at and then increase my chances of a 1st... also morse give more exemptions for acturial and accountacy stuff...

I think it would depend on what options you chose regarding the question about phd in maths after... i guess it would be better to email the stats dept at warwick about this one.

Are you applying or have you got offers for both and just deciding now?

Hope this helps

I think it would depend on what options you chose regarding the question about phd in maths after... i guess it would be better to email the stats dept at warwick about this one.

Are you applying or have you got offers for both and just deciding now?

Hope this helps

University of Warwick

Coventry

burje-t

Hi there. I would just like to see what you think about the morse course, I have noticed that some of you in here plan to take it.

Is the maths easier than what you would do in a pure maths degree (e.g. MMath)? I had a look through the course modules and found that most pure maths modules are optional and not something part of the core degree (e.g. differential equations, advanced differentiation, further algebra etc). Does this mean that I will not get a "proper" maths degree? Could I continue to study for a PhD in maths after the 4year mmorse?

Anything you got.....

Is the maths easier than what you would do in a pure maths degree (e.g. MMath)? I had a look through the course modules and found that most pure maths modules are optional and not something part of the core degree (e.g. differential equations, advanced differentiation, further algebra etc). Does this mean that I will not get a "proper" maths degree? Could I continue to study for a PhD in maths after the 4year mmorse?

Anything you got.....

As you may have already seen from previous posts, I'm starting MORSE in September. Rather than choosing between MORSE and a Maths degree, my decison was between MORSE and Economics so I'm not sure about the structure of the MMath course at Warwick. If you are considerably more interested by Maths than the other sections of the course, Pure Maths might be a better choice. One of the main factors in my decision was the flexibility of MORSE. Similarly to S1M, I think this enables students to focus on areas of study that thery are most comfortable with and develop a wider range of strengths. Although MORSE is primarily seen as a Maths course, I am intending on choosing the majority of my optional modules from the other departments involved, as I personally find the application of Maths to practical situations more interesting than the Pure Maths itself. Hopefully somebody else here will be able to tell you whether a PhD in Maths is possible after studying MORSE, as I've never really looked into that.

S1M

Are you applying or have you got offers for both and just deciding now?

Hope this helps

Are you applying or have you got offers for both and just deciding now?

Hope this helps

I was actually accepted for pure maths at Bath uni, but I've started having second thoughts and contacted warwick. They are ready to accept me again if I decide to do so. I really like economics and I saw that the maths course at bath didnt offer any economics options whatsoever. Another plus is that if you do morse, you are sort of "special" - not a lot of people do morse. My offers are 36 IB points + 6 in Maths Hl for Bath and 38 points + 7 in maths HL for morse. The higher offer is no problem, I expect to get around 44 points.

Im really split about this. On the one hand, I want to get a good maths degree but at the same time I would not like to sacrifise job prospects (surely doing a bit of econ. would help in getting a proper well-paid job?) and limit myself to only maths for 4 years.

I can accept the morse course being "easier", but which course do you reckon requires the most amount of studytime? Ive read that you are expected to do 35-40 hours of work a week if you take the morse course! I rather do "hard" and less time-consuming work if I can (I hate history and everything where you have to read a lot etc).

And at the moment I feel that the warwick campus life seem more fun than the corresponding bath one (from what i've heard people are more laid-back at warwick and maybe its not as snobbish, or is it?).

Tell me what you think...

I can accept the morse course being "easier", but which course do you reckon requires the most amount of studytime? Ive read that you are expected to do 35-40 hours of work a week if you take the morse course! I rather do "hard" and less time-consuming work if I can (I hate history and everything where you have to read a lot etc).

And at the moment I feel that the warwick campus life seem more fun than the corresponding bath one (from what i've heard people are more laid-back at warwick and maybe its not as snobbish, or is it?).

Tell me what you think...

burje-t

I was actually accepted for pure maths at Bath uni, but I've started having second thoughts and contacted warwick. They are ready to accept me again if I decide to do so. I really like economics and I saw that the maths course at bath didnt offer any economics options whatsoever. Another plus is that if you do morse, you are sort of "special" - not a lot of people do morse. My offers are 36 IB points + 6 in Maths Hl for Bath and 38 points + 7 in maths HL for morse. The higher offer is no problem, I expect to get around 44 points.

So Bath is out of the question???

What would be best for you mostly depends on what you would like to learn in your course I suppose... If you want to learn mostly maths and do a little bit of economics in your options then MMath is definately the course for you. However, if you prefer to do a less maths and more economics as well as the other disciplines in morse then obviously morse is the one to choose... if you are unsure then I would say morse as it is more flexible and you can still do a heck of a lot of pure maths if you choose to do so and you can stop the economics after the first year if you want IIRC. morse actually allows you to choose what you want to do in the 4 disciplines after the first year...

also you should consider what career you would like to do after... morse seem more targeted at a financial career which appealed to me more than plain maths...

I should really stop promoting morse... because if i miss my grades i am less likely to keep my place then lol

S1M

So Bath is out of the question???

What would be best for you mostly depends on what you would like to learn in your course I suppose... If you want to learn mostly maths and do a little bit of economics in your options then MMath is definately the course for you. However, if you prefer to do a less maths and more economics as well as the other disciplines in morse then obviously morse is the one to choose... if you are unsure then I would say morse as it is more flexible and you can still do a heck of a lot of pure maths if you choose to do so and you can stop the economics after the first year if you want IIRC. morse actually allows you to choose what you want to do in the 4 disciplines after the first year...

also you should consider what career you would like to do after... morse seem more targeted at a financial career which appealed to me more than plain maths...

I should really stop promoting morse... because if i miss my grades i am less likely to keep my place then lol

What would be best for you mostly depends on what you would like to learn in your course I suppose... If you want to learn mostly maths and do a little bit of economics in your options then MMath is definately the course for you. However, if you prefer to do a less maths and more economics as well as the other disciplines in morse then obviously morse is the one to choose... if you are unsure then I would say morse as it is more flexible and you can still do a heck of a lot of pure maths if you choose to do so and you can stop the economics after the first year if you want IIRC. morse actually allows you to choose what you want to do in the 4 disciplines after the first year...

also you should consider what career you would like to do after... morse seem more targeted at a financial career which appealed to me more than plain maths...

I should really stop promoting morse... because if i miss my grades i am less likely to keep my place then lol

Bath is not out of the question, but i am leaning towards warwick. The thing is that Warwick has accepted me IF I choose not to go to bath (i.e. I should tell bath that I want to change if I decide to do so, and then UCAS will accept my change). Quite a nice thing to do by Warwick really. Defintely a plus for them there,

The problem is that Bath offers no economics at all in their options, you can only choose to do physics (which I find less fun) as your option. As you said, the morse course is really neat since you, for example, can decide to transfer to a pure maths course (or pure econ!) at the end of year one I think. A carreer in finanical maths/mathematical economics is not a scary thought, although I would like to keep the option of studying for a phD alive.

Nah, keep promoting. This is exactly what I need... And dont worry about your offer, surely you can make it. Is it something like AAA at A-level?

burje-t

Bath is not out of the question, but i am leaning towards warwick. The thing is that Warwick has accepted me IF I choose not to go to bath (i.e. I should tell bath that I want to change if I decide to do so, and then UCAS will accept my change). Quite a nice thing to do by Warwick really. Defintely a plus for them there,

The problem is that Bath offers no economics at all in their options, you can only choose to do physics (which I find less fun) as your option. As you said, the morse course is really neat since you, for example, can decide to transfer to a pure maths course (or pure econ!) at the end of year one I think. A carreer in finanical maths/mathematical economics is not a scary thought, although I would like to keep the option of studying for a phD alive.

Nah, keep promoting. This is exactly what I need... And dont worry about your offer, surely you can make it. Is it something like AAA at A-level?

The problem is that Bath offers no economics at all in their options, you can only choose to do physics (which I find less fun) as your option. As you said, the morse course is really neat since you, for example, can decide to transfer to a pure maths course (or pure econ!) at the end of year one I think. A carreer in finanical maths/mathematical economics is not a scary thought, although I would like to keep the option of studying for a phD alive.

Nah, keep promoting. This is exactly what I need... And dont worry about your offer, surely you can make it. Is it something like AAA at A-level?

Did you contact the MORSE department...? I was under the assumption that all the places had been taken?

Im STILL having second thoughts about MORSE too. As i've said before i have a place to do Engineering @ warwick but i REALLY like the MORSE course and i should get the grades to get on it.

The sponsership i have been offered is great and a promised job at the end of my course...but i'd rather get a job in the City using maths.

burje-t

Bath is not out of the question, but i am leaning towards warwick. The thing is that Warwick has accepted me IF I choose not to go to bath (i.e. I should tell bath that I want to change if I decide to do so, and then UCAS will accept my change). Quite a nice thing to do by Warwick really. Defintely a plus for them there,

The problem is that Bath offers no economics at all in their options, you can only choose to do physics (which I find less fun) as your option. As you said, the morse course is really neat since you, for example, can decide to transfer to a pure maths course (or pure econ!) at the end of year one I think. A carreer in finanical maths/mathematical economics is not a scary thought, although I would like to keep the option of studying for a phD alive.

Nah, keep promoting. This is exactly what I need... And dont worry about your offer, surely you can make it. Is it something like AAA at A-level?

The problem is that Bath offers no economics at all in their options, you can only choose to do physics (which I find less fun) as your option. As you said, the morse course is really neat since you, for example, can decide to transfer to a pure maths course (or pure econ!) at the end of year one I think. A carreer in finanical maths/mathematical economics is not a scary thought, although I would like to keep the option of studying for a phD alive.

Nah, keep promoting. This is exactly what I need... And dont worry about your offer, surely you can make it. Is it something like AAA at A-level?

I am not sure whether you can actually transfer the course... i meant that you can just drop M, OR, S or E if you want...

Yup i need AAA or AABa small a is further maths AS level which i am learning myself, well i am learning the full a level maths myself too... so the a in the AS is not certain...

I think it would depend on what options you choose regarding whether you can do the phd... personally (hope you dont get offended) i see no point of a phd in maths unless you are going to teach... which isn't really attractive for me (crap pay)... and also obviously unless you have the passion for maths and you want to continue learning it... then in that case the MMaths is a better choice for you...

hope my contributions help in your decision

chud

Did you contact the MORSE department...? I was under the assumption that all the places had been taken?

Im STILL having second thoughts about MORSE too. As i've said before i have a place to do Engineering @ warwick but i REALLY like the MORSE course and i should get the grades to get on it.

The sponsership i have been offered is great and a promised job at the end of my course...but i'd rather get a job in the City using maths.

Im STILL having second thoughts about MORSE too. As i've said before i have a place to do Engineering @ warwick but i REALLY like the MORSE course and i should get the grades to get on it.

The sponsership i have been offered is great and a promised job at the end of my course...but i'd rather get a job in the City using maths.

I think he originally applied for morse at warwick, got an offer, rejected the offer and is now considering it as well as plain maths @ warwick after accepting an offer at bath which he no longer want to do... quite confusing really

If you want to do morse still you should contact the dept asap; otherwise you might find yourself having to take a gap year to reapply if you find you don't want to do general engineering... I thought u were 100% sure that you will stick to engineering after getting your sponsership/job... only you don't want to do that job then you should go for morse...

i can imagine everyone panicing looking for jobs, trying really hard, lots of sleepless nights and you will be there just chilling coz you already have one sorted... you wont have to worry about much... well enuf bs... i suppose at the end of the day it depend on how much more you would prefer city jobs over engineering jobs... i would remember that quite a lot of the top city managers and chief executives etc have engineering degrees... so i suppose you could still do engineering and work in the city... well i suppose u will have to work for your sponser first for a certain period of time...

Do Mathematics, it's fairly simple to flit between MORSE and maths, providing you do enough options that are close to the MORSE course.

Changing down from MMath to a BSc is easy too. So you might as well go for the MMath. Not only that, there's also ways to change from Mathematics to Maths and Accountancy in the second year. (Basically, all accountancy in the final year)

I know, I used to be there!

Changing down from MMath to a BSc is easy too. So you might as well go for the MMath. Not only that, there's also ways to change from Mathematics to Maths and Accountancy in the second year. (Basically, all accountancy in the final year)

I know, I used to be there!

S1M

I think he originally applied for morse at warwick, got an offer, rejected the offer and is now considering it as well as plain maths @ warwick after accepting an offer at bath which he no longer want to do... quite confusing really

That is correct. Definetely confusing. This origins in me being an indecisive bastard (an IB , oh well maybe someone in here gets the joke). Therefore the ability to transfer from morse to a maths degree would be great, if it is possible that is. Nah, im not offended. I have passion for maths and I might wanna teach in the future, but on the other hand I also have a passion for money...

Does anyone have an idea of the comparison in workload between a pure maths degree and morse? Im under the impression that maths people have less lectures/homework than morse people. Is that true you think?

burje-t

Hi there. I would just like to see what you think about the morse course, I have noticed that some of you in here plan to take it.

Is the maths easier than what you would do in a pure maths degree (e.g. MMath)? I had a look through the course modules and found that most pure maths modules are optional and not something part of the core degree (e.g. differential equations, advanced differentiation, further algebra etc). Does this mean that I will not get a "proper" maths degree? Could I continue to study for a PhD in maths after the 4year mmorse?

Anything you got.....

Is the maths easier than what you would do in a pure maths degree (e.g. MMath)? I had a look through the course modules and found that most pure maths modules are optional and not something part of the core degree (e.g. differential equations, advanced differentiation, further algebra etc). Does this mean that I will not get a "proper" maths degree? Could I continue to study for a PhD in maths after the 4year mmorse?

Anything you got.....

If you want to do a PhD in an area of Pure Maths then yes must do Maths. If you want to do Applied Maths PhD then it isn't necessarily required.

burje-t

That is correct. Definetely confusing. This origins in me being an indecisive bastard (an IB , oh well maybe someone in here gets the joke). Therefore the ability to transfer from morse to a maths degree would be great, if it is possible that is. Nah, im not offended. I have passion for maths and I might wanna teach in the future, but on the other hand I also have a passion for money...

Does anyone have an idea of the comparison in workload between a pure maths degree and morse? Im under the impression that maths people have less lectures/homework than morse people. Is that true you think?

Does anyone have an idea of the comparison in workload between a pure maths degree and morse? Im under the impression that maths people have less lectures/homework than morse people. Is that true you think?

Well I sort of get the joke but... erm... lets just say its not really a good one... Are you in europe somewhere? Must be a foreign thing...

Well teaching = no money so I think you need to decide about that first... anyways I think morse would enable you to go on and teach maths anyway... all my stats teacher had was a history degree and highest maths qualification was an A level... not even sure if he got an A... I don't think you need a phd to teach the stuff unless you are teaching people phd stuff... you get what i mean... isn't phd mostly research stuff anyway? not really sure how you can research maths...

Not sure about the workload... but i can dig up the course guide thingy i got for morse and can give you some details if you want...

S1M

Well I sort of get the joke but... erm... lets just say its not really a good one... Are you in europe somewhere? Must be a foreign thing...

Well teaching = no money so I think you need to decide about that first... anyways I think morse would enable you to go on and teach maths anyway... all my stats teacher had was a history degree and highest maths qualification was an A level... not even sure if he got an A... I don't think you need a phd to teach the stuff unless you are teaching people phd stuff... you get what i mean... isn't phd mostly research stuff anyway? not really sure how you can research maths...

Not sure about the workload... but i can dig up the course guide thingy i got for morse and can give you some details if you want...

Well teaching = no money so I think you need to decide about that first... anyways I think morse would enable you to go on and teach maths anyway... all my stats teacher had was a history degree and highest maths qualification was an A level... not even sure if he got an A... I don't think you need a phd to teach the stuff unless you are teaching people phd stuff... you get what i mean... isn't phd mostly research stuff anyway? not really sure how you can research maths...

Not sure about the workload... but i can dig up the course guide thingy i got for morse and can give you some details if you want...

No worries, I got "the course guide thingy". It is actually really good and is what made me reconsider morse. There are some smashing options such as game theory (in which I wrote my extended essay, if you are familiar with that IB term).

Yeah im in Europe. Sweden, to be exact. Just finished my IB exams (well, I did that a week ago but it ii not until now that Im beginning to sober up). Its true what you say about teaching. Hell you could get a math teacher job here if you could state the third decimal in pi. Are you going to warwick to do morse this year? Btw, thanks a lot for your help.

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