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The Britons were a group of people who came to this island some time ago. I'd only consider myself having any British heritage if I was genetically related to them (within reason).

I'm not proud to be a member of the most ruthless dynasty that ever chose to rape the world and its people. It should be our prerogative to spend our whole lives trying to reverse the damage our ancestors did. If that means to stop interfering with other countries then so be it. I definitely think we should stop creating wars with a view to making profit from the arms sales.
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I'm not proud to be a member of the most ruthless dynasty that ever chose to rape the world and its people. It should be our prerogative to spend our whole lives trying to reverse the damage our ancestors did. .
Yes. The British were ruthless immoral people who should give back their stolen goods to the nations we helped to grow, such as South Africa, India and Australia. We stole their culture and their shekels. Bad ancestors! Odd how the commonwealth countries still partake, voluntarily, in the oppressive "game" we call cricket. I bet it triggers the poor minorities everytime they play.


tl;dr: yes, I am proud.
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South Africa we stole and enslaved their people. India we attempted to hijack. Australia we wiped out the indigenous people. We are such loved up folks really. Rape is love!
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And yet british you had to bow down against gurkha which i am proud to be

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(Original post by aaronlowe)
The Britons were a group of people who came to this island some time ago. I'd only consider myself having any British heritage if I was genetically related to them (within reason).

I'm not proud to be a member of the most ruthless dynasty that ever chose to rape the world and its people. It should be our prerogative to spend our whole lives trying to reverse the damage our ancestors did. If that means to stop interfering with other countries then so be it. I definitely think we should stop creating wars with a view to making profit from the arms sales.
So you think nationality should only be based upon ancestry?

"Most ruthless dynasty"? I suggest you go and acquaint yourself with the numerous other empires which have existed throughout history. Your apologist attitude is embarrassing.

Yes, of course I'm proud to be British.
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I'm only British by birth and not by ancestry but I would consider myself British and am proud to call this free, democratic, tolerant, post-enlightenment country my home.

I find the whole white guilt complex some people have where they claim to be ashamed to be white and feel guilty for the crimes of their ancestors to be quite pathetic. Every ethnicity and every culture has behaved inequitably at some point in the past. White imperialists and slave traders were simply better at exploiting others than their predecessors. The idea that modern day Brits should be ashamed of this exploitation is farcical.
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Why should belonging to a national group based on imaginary lines drawn on the surface of this planet make me proud?

I am proud of my own achievements and proud of humanity's achievements, but apart from that, I don't see any reason to be proud about belonging to a "nation". If anything, as Socrates purportedly said, I am a citizen of Earth, not of any nation.
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Why should belonging to a national group based on imaginary lines drawn on the surface of this planet make me proud?
This statement deserves all the rep. All the rep. Srs.

I don't understand patriotism/nationalism. It seems quite anti-intellectual/tribalistic. If you say that you're proud to be x (x denoting your place of birth) then you are basically saying "I'm proud to have been born in a country that I did not choose to be born in, and I'm proud of the culture of that country that I did not have a hand in creating."
And seeing as most cultures are based around religious/political involvement (as opposed to that culture being born due to pure geography) and have evolved over the course of centuries, if not millenia, being proud of a culture of a country (while maintaining the patriotic stance) becomes redundant.
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This statement deserves all the rep. All the rep. Srs.

I don't understand patriotism/nationalism. It seems quite anti-intellectual/tribalistic. If you say that you're proud to be x (x denoting your place of birth) then you are basically saying "I'm proud to have been born in a country that I did not choose to be born in, and I'm proud of the culture of that country that I did not have a hand in creating."
And seeing as most cultures are based around religious/political involvement (as opposed to that culture being born due to pure geography) and have evolved over the course of centuries, if not millenia, being proud of a culture of a country (while maintaining the patriotic stance) becomes redundant.
That's just nonsense. I'll tell you some of the reasons I'm proud to be British - you may agree or disagree, I don't care. These obviously don't apply in every situation, but on the whole they're valid.

I'm proud that we have a form of democracy where everyone is free to vote without intimidation or coercion. I'm proud that we have decent health and welfare systems where people aren't denied treatment if they cannot pay. I'm proud of our decent road and rail infrastructure. I'm proud that we have access to clean water, power, and an unbiased independent broadcaster which is well respected around the globe. I'm proud of our royal family, system of governance and judicial process. I could go on but you get the idea. These are things that we, as a nation, have developed and built and which are often repeated in other countries.

Being proud of something is not the same as having a sense of superiority or tribalism, a point which you and several posters have clearly missed. I'm proud of those achievements and many more. I'm proud of my country. Quite honestly, I'm ashamed that some people are not.
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That's just nonsense. I'll tell you some of the reasons I'm proud to be British - you may agree or disagree, I don't care. These obviously don't apply in every situation, but on the whole they're valid.

I'm proud that we have a form of democracy where everyone is free to vote without intimidation or coercion. I'm proud that we have decent health and welfare systems where people aren't denied treatment if they cannot pay. I'm proud of our decent road and rail infrastructure. I'm proud that we have access to clean water, power, and an unbiased independent broadcaster which is well respected around the globe. I'm proud of our royal family, system of governance and judicial process. I could go on but you get the idea. These are things that we, as a nation, have developed and built and which are often repeated in other countries.

Being proud of something is not the same as having a sense of superiority or tribalism, a point which you and several posters have clearly missed. I'm proud of those achievements and many more. I'm proud of my country. Quite honestly, I'm ashamed that some people are not.
Oh dear, I guess propaganda really does work.
This has to be a joke, even implying that the BBC is unbiased.

Oh dear lord.

As for the pride issue, it is irrational to be proud of other people's achivements. One can only be proud or ashamed of their own choices.
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No. England isn't real therefore I'm not proud to be English.

England is a concept. It's only something that exists in my head. When looked at objectively, England is an island on the Earth, indistinguishable from other islands aside from its geology.

On this island, there are millions of people who each have a separate self-identity. Each person will define Britain differently and attach different personalities to it. Some will be proud to be British because of football, others will be proud to be British because of the queen, others will be proud to be British because of fish and chips. Others will not see themselves as British because they live in a part that isn't defined as Britain.

Therefore Britain doesn't exist in fact, it only exists in our minds. My personal definition of Britain is different from yours. If you think about it, Britain really is a kind of psychosis. Every self-definition is because only physical reality is real in fact.

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No. England isn't real therefore I'm not proud to be English.

England is a concept. It's only something that exists in my head. When looked at objectively, England is an island on the Earth, indistinguishable from other islands aside from its geology.

On this island, there are millions of people who each have a separate self-identity. Each person will define Britain differently and attach different personalities to it. Some will be proud to be British because of football, others will be proud to be British because of the queen, others will be proud to be British because of fish and chips. Others will not see themselves as British because they live in a part that isn't defined as Britain.

Therefore Britain doesn't exist in fact, it only exists in our minds. My personal definition of Britain is different from yours. If you think about it, Britain really is a kind of psychosis. Every self-definition is because only physical reality is real in fact.

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'England' is not an island.
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Oh dear, I guess propaganda really does work.
This has to be a joke, even implying that the BBC is unbiased.

Oh dear lord.

As for the pride issue, it is irrational to be proud of other people's achivements. One can only be proud or ashamed of their own choices.
Nope, not a joke. I guess you didn't bother reading the bit about how it's not to be taken as gospel. If you bothered to spend even 5 minutes abroad you'd realise how well the BBC is regarded.

Your last paragraph is simply wrong. Rational or not, people are proud of 'their' football team, people are proud of 'their' country's athletes in sporting events. And I'm still proud of my country. To suggest that I'm not allowed in some way is barking. Once you've done being an idiot here go and tell an American he's not allowed to be proud of his country. Let me know how that goes.
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Nope, not a joke. I guess you didn't bother reading the bit about how it's not to be taken as gospel. If you bothered to spend even 5 minutes abroad you'd realise how well the BBC is regarded.

Your last paragraph is simply wrong. Rational or not, people are proud of 'their' football team, people are proud of 'their' country's athletes in sporting events. And I'm still proud of my country. To suggest that I'm not allowed in some way is barking. Once you've done being an idiot here go and tell an American he's not allowed to be proud of his country. Let me know how that goes.
It is a very quaint sort of pride. It is not much different being proud of your skin colour, gender or even height.
You can do whatever you want. Be proud all you want.
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Yes and no... Yes because it is indeed one of the greatest countries in the world with a history second to none and no because im only half British the other half is Kiwi although that being said that blood line does go back to Britain eventually so...
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(Original post by Drunk Punx)
I don't understand patriotism/nationalism. It seems quite anti-intellectual/tribalistic.
That statement sums up my thoughts exactly.
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Yes I am.
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I voted "no", but I'm not british.
I just don't see the point in being proud of your nationality, it's not really something you've achieved, lo.
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