How does diversity benefit a 1st world society?

There seems to have been a massive influx of migrants entering the UK in the past couple of decades. When any debate on controlled immigration appears, proponents are usually bombarded by accusations of racism, xenophobia or any other ad hominem with taboo connotations in today's modern society. As we move into an enlightened age where people of all faiths, creeds and backgrounds are encouraged to mix with the "indigenous" (read: 4th generation immigrant or earlier) population, society as a whole seems to have shifted to a viewpoint where diversity is the final, golden, missing piece of the puzzle to creating a tolerant society. However, as far as I can tell it has only created conflict and more hatred. At what point was it acknowledged that the concept of diversity was so necessary? Does it even benefit society in any significant way and if so, how? It seems to me that by mixing cultures, you actually break down communities with common beliefs, promote segregation and erode the culture of the host region. If I wanted to experience the culture of Pakistan, I could just go and visit Pakistan. Why do I need a large Pakistani community moving into my village or town; imposing their beliefs on me, in order to experience cultural diversity?

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Reply 1

zippity.doodah

if race/culture doesn't matter, then neither does diversity

Reply 2

napkinsquirrel

Original post by zippity.doodah

if race/culture doesn't matter, then neither does diversity

That doesn't really answer the question.

Reply 3

zippity.doodah

Original post by napkinsquirrel

That doesn't really answer the question.

what I was implying was that it doesn't really benefit a 1st world society, though it doesn't hinder it either unless it is politicised

Reply 4

BrightBlueLight

It does not benefit us, it only benefits third world people i.e Muslims, Africans, Pakistanis etc because they are able to live in civilised white societies. Their own societies are barabaric which is why they want to live with us. This is why thousands of them will try to get to white countries by any means possible

Reply 5

TheCondor

Original post by BrightBlueLight

No, its because they want jobs.

Reply 6

bassbabe

I just don't like the way they force their beliefs on others. The benefits of diversity is overhyped. there's not many.

Reply 7

CycleofSpin

Diversity has a negative benefit on society. The level of trust and identification between people goes down and therefore there is more anti-social behaviour, more crime, more opportune behaviours e.g. Selling people broken used cars and a sense of just markets not people.

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Reply 8

SophieSmall

Because I can walk down the street and buy awesome foodstuff from all across Asia, without immigration it's unlikely I'd have access to this stuff either as easily or at such a low cost.

Reply 9

caravaggio2

Original post by SophieSmall

Because I can walk down the street and buy awesome foodstuff from all across Asia, without immigration it's unlikely I'd have access to this stuff either as easily or at such a low cost.

Is that really it?
So, without any public debate on wether or not to go down this road, we have ended up in a situation where ethnic minorities out number indigenous white British in their own capital and low skilled wages of hundreds of thousands of British citizens have been driven into the ground just so that you can buy products in a corner shop from Asia?
Isn't that what supermarkets do anyway, supply products from all around the world?
Look up Thomas Sowell's talks on YT on this.
He makes the point that seems to pass most people by. How diversity and multiculturalism is accepted as a universal good without proof ever being neither asked for nor given.

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Reply 10

Bag of Peanuts

This is basic business. I mean it's literally taught in business courses. If you want to expand economically, expand your target group. And since slavery and imperialism (going to someone else's country in masses, settling there, and taking over) are so last year, the government basically has people enslave themselves by coming over with a romanticized view of life in the new country, to make peanuts. Simple enough. Anything else?

Reply 11

username1221160

I curious that people think immigrants are imposing their beliefs on them. How are they doing this?

Reply 12

Crystalz

How about the immigrants that actively immerse themselves into British culture, take on their way of life and have a family line that goes back 4 generations in Britain..
I think if they immerse themselves in British culture immigrants should be allowed to come here since although they apparently offer no great benefit (disagree a bit) they cause no negative implications.

Reply 13

holmes221

Original post by napkinsquirrel

It Helps make rich cooperates richer.

As many have said before a small amount of immigration of a certain culture makes it unique and interesting like orientalism (think Byron embracing Persian slippers and fezs) as that culture increases at a rapid rate, especially in low education, highly religious third world cultures which encourage large families their lack of integration is more obvious and such formation of sub communities helps to alienate the local population and create divide.

That is just a fact.

Reply 14

scrotgrot

The benefit is cheap labour, which also operates under politically defensible restriction of access to public services, and furthermore is here during its productive years rather than during childhood or pensionable age.

Incidentally it is entirely contradictory, as right-wing Tories and the UKIP leadership do, to believe in trickle-down neoliberalism as well as being anti-immigration, as under trickle-down the benefits of cheap labour to companies should accrue to us all - and particularly to natives insofar as the activities and claims on public services are denied to immigrants.

This is why anti-immigration and other forms of trade protectionism were once fertile ground for Labour - and that party's survival depends on it. It's bizarre that the one should be expressed on the right of our politics while the other is on the left. Almost no other populist Eurosceptic party in other countries is free market like UKIP, they are all more national socialist.

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Reply 15

CycleofSpin

Original post by SophieSmall

Because I can walk down the street and buy awesome foodstuff from all across Asia, without immigration it's unlikely I'd have access to this stuff either as easily or at such a low cost.

There is a pub down the road run why white people that makes Thai food. It's evidence that cooking is more cultural than racial.

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Reply 16

LaughingBro

All immigrant should return to their country of ethnicity! End of!

Reply 17

napkinsquirrel

Original post by scrotgrot

Immigrants do not provide cheap labour. All employers are legally bound to provide minimum wage to their employees except for a few such as the armed forces. When the children of an immigrant are born in this country, their children are not immigrants, their documentation says they're British citizens. They're not going to want to scrub toilets for their entire lives. They're going to want to benefit from a first world standard of living. The correlation between "cheap (illegal) labour" and immigration is tenuous at best; it only really applies to 1st generation immigrants. The increase in population combined with a demand for a higher standard of living amongst the poorer sectors of the population is what will lead to the downfall of countries like China and India.

Some sneaky changes to the way immigration was handled occurred when Tony Blair's Labour were in power; the ability to vote via proxy meant that non-English speakers e.g. foreigners, were still able to vote; hence Labour accrued the most votes amongst the immigrant population. This allowed a large amount to immigrants free entry into the country with state benefits in exchange for free, guaranteed votes for the Labour party.

The insular socialism and industrialism observed by the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s brought about an unseen wave of prosperity for Germany; something similar is being promised under a UKIP government. They managed to achieve economic success independent of "cheap" immigrant labour.

So why is diversity so necessary; independent of immigration.

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Reply 18

number23

-Foreign workers who have been educated in their countries come and work as doctors, lecturers etc here. Saving lives and educating people
-Doing work that many cirizens here do not want to. Work that helps production and the economy
-Some of them are nice people. Can be friendly people in the community, give advice, be a friend..
-We can learn from their cultures: food, language, customs..

Reply 19

napkinsquirrel

Original post by number23

-This country has one of the best educational infrastructures in the world. Can a 1st world nation really not produce it's own doctors, engineers and personnel of value?

-Work that could easily still be done by native, English speaking people. It is fallacy that they do the work that citizens here don't want to do; I have never seen any documentation or proof that shows British people won't work in Burger King or work on a building site simply because they aren't an immigrant.

-Not really a reason why it's a good thing; a vast number of them can be hostile; vocally racist non-conforming members of society. Immigration is a mixed bag of people but whether they're nice or not is a poor reason for advocacy of diversity.

-Why can't I learn about their culture by going to their country of origin? If I wanted to learn about the spiritual healing of Buddhism I could just go on a gap yaaaaah to Burma.