France to force big supermarkets to give unsold food to charities

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Certainly a very interesting and good move I feel:

French supermarkets will be banned from throwing away or destroying unsold food and must instead donate it to charities or for animal feed, under a law set to crack down on food waste.

The French national assembly voted unanimously to pass the legislation as France battles an epidemic of wasted food that has highlighted the divide between giant food firms and people who are struggling to eat.

As MPs united in a rare cross-party consensus, the centre-right deputy Yves Jégo told parliament: “There’s an absolute urgency – charities are desperate for food. The most moving part of this law is that it opens us up to others who are suffering.”

Supermarkets will be barred from deliberately spoiling unsold food so it cannot be eaten. Those with a footprint of 4,305 sq ft (400 sq m) or more will have to sign contracts with charities by July next year or face penalties including fines of up to €75,000 (£53,000) or two years in jail.

“It’s scandalous to see bleach being poured into supermarket dustbins along with edible foods,” said the Socialist deputy Guillaume Garot, a former food minister who proposed the bill.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ood-to-charity
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Remarkable
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Great news imho - something many countries should follow!
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Great way to waste stock and enable law suits.

Give stuff out for free, that will definitely help a financially struggling nation

Who cares that Intermarche announced this move will mean a closure of 11 hypermarkets and thereby firing of 5 300 staff? Forward, society! Who needs money when you have progressivism! I think this is a great move to help out the financially indebted and bankruptcy-ridden food retail industry in France worth a couple of billion and employing just under a million people.

Then they have the audacity to ask for Euromoney to help their dumb economists with sorting their country out ... oh well.

Although I predict this will just be a loophole and enable paid contracts between supermarkets and animal food corporations which would allow lower prices and shoot France up in animal feed competitiveness, so at least it's not useless.
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Great! Artificially raise the price of food for everyone!
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(Original post by SotonianOne)
Great way to waste stock and enable law suits.

Give stuff out for free, that will definitely help a financially struggling nation

Who cares that Intermarche announced this move will mean a closure of 11 hypermarkets and thereby firing of 5 300 staff? Forward, society! Who needs money when you have progressivism! I think this is a great move to help out the financially indebted and bankruptcy-ridden food retail industry in France worth a couple of billion and employing just under a million people.

Then they have the audacity to ask for Euromoney to help their dumb economists with sorting their country out ... oh well.

Although I predict this will just be a loophole and enable paid contracts between supermarkets and animal food corporations which would allow lower prices and shoot France up in animal feed competitiveness, so at least it's not useless.
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Great! Artificially raise the price of food for everyone!
Sorry? Exactly how is this bad for the supermarkets? They're not losing anything if the food was going to be thrown out anyway - all that's happening is that the point of disposal is moved from the tip to another storeroom. Aside from a few extra manhours spent sorting through the waste (something which should really be done anyway), this law does not require the supermarkets to do anything that they don't do already.
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Sorry? Exactly how is this bad for the supermarkets? They're not losing anything if the food was going to be thrown out anyway - all that's happening is that the point of disposal is moved from the tip to another storeroom. Aside from a few extra manhours spent sorting through the waste (something which should really be done anyway), this law does not require the supermarkets to do anything that they don't do already.
Because they are losing revenue?

I mean, how is this not understandable?

Did those poor people eat grass before this law?

Plus if law suits happen as a result of poisonous food on people who weren't meant to eat it anyway I predict a skyrocketing of food prices to cover legal costs
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Great idea. It's common sense really, if you have leftover edible food then you let someone eat it not pour bleach on it.
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Because they are losing revenue?

I mean, how is this not understandable?

Did those poor people eat grass before this law?

Plus if law suits happen as a result of poisonous food on people who weren't meant to eat it anyway I predict a skyrocketing of food prices to cover legal costs
The people who will benefit from this are the people who would otherwise be stealing or foraging in bins. The supermarkets wouldn't be getting any money from them anyway.

I assume that there'll be a way for the supermarkets to waive all legal responsibility for the waste food once it's handed over. If they could guarantee its condition then it wouldn't be waste.
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The people who will benefit from this are the people who would otherwise be stealing or foraging in bins. The supermarkets wouldn't be getting any money from them anyway.

I assume that there'll be a way for the supermarkets to waive all legal responsibility for the waste food once it's handed over. If they could guarantee its condition then it wouldn't be waste.
Are you honestly saying that the 1.5 million people on WELFARE who BUY FOOD would otherwise be foraging bins or engaging in crime? Honestly, please recognise this is a DETRIMENT to the food retail market into billions.

You assume, but the law is there and the legal lawsuits haven't changed and are ready to go, and there's no will to change it at this very moment.
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Are you honestly saying that the 1.5 million people on WELFARE who BUY FOOD would otherwise be foraging bins or engaging in crime? Honestly, please recognise this is a DETRIMENT to the food retail market into billions.

You assume, but the law is there and the legal lawsuits haven't changed and are ready to go, and there's no will to change it at this very moment.
I'm not talking about the 1.5 million people on welfare who currently buy food. I'm talking about the few thousand who currently can't buy food. And, if the current food bank system is anything to go by, I doubt there will be many trying to take advantage of the extra food who don't desperately need it.
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[QUOTE=Arbolus;56322269]I'm not talking about the 1.5 million people on welfare who currently buy food. I'm talking about the few thousand who currently can't buy food.

There's no such thing. Welfare covers food comfortably.

Illegal immigrants will not be able to participate in this system if that's what you mean, so no, this will fix nothing other than giving poor people a slightly higher disposable income. About a million people use food banks in France and varying by source around a third of them are illegals.
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Because they are losing revenue?

I mean, how is this not understandable?

Did those poor people eat grass before this law?

Plus if law suits happen as a result of poisonous food on people who weren't meant to eat it anyway I predict a skyrocketing of food prices to cover legal costs
It seems that you are the only sensible person here. I hate this "free" "free" "free" mentality that some people have. It is disgusting because people worked hard to buy those good and you get them for free because why? You are poor? Why are you poor?

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(Original post by SotonianOne)
Great way to waste stock and enable law suits.

Give stuff out for free, that will definitely help a financially struggling nation

Who cares that Intermarche announced this move will mean a closure of 11 hypermarkets and thereby firing of 5 300 staff? Forward, society! Who needs money when you have progressivism! I think this is a great move to help out the financially indebted and bankruptcy-ridden food retail industry in France worth a couple of billion and employing just under a million people.

Then they have the audacity to ask for Euromoney to help their dumb economists with sorting their country out ... oh well.

Although I predict this will just be a loophole and enable paid contracts between supermarkets and animal food corporations which would allow lower prices and shoot France up in animal feed competitiveness, so at least it's not useless.
Would you say that the current system is the most efficient use of what is essentially a scarce resource?

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It seems that you are the only sensible person here. I hate this "free" "free" "free" mentality that some people have. It is disgusting because people worked hard to buy those good and you get them for free because why? You are poor? Why are you poor?

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For those who are poorest in society, the relative proportion of income spent on food is far greater than those who are well off. So if anybody is working hard to buy food, it is the poorest in our society.

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All the lefties who harangue about a MILLION PEOPLE in TWENTY FIFTEEN using FOOD BANKS will celebrate this.

I think this is how their minds work. In all three outcomes, people are being fed:

Charity = Food bank Britain, get the vile Tories out
Taxpayer funded State = Hooray, lots of useless public sector welfare jobs, aren't we noble
Taking from Corporations = Holy grail
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All the lefties who harangue about a MILLION PEOPLE in TWENTY FIFTEEN using FOOD BANKS will celebrate this.

I think this is how their minds work. In all three outcomes, people are being fed:

Charity = Food bank Britain, get the vile Tories out
Taxpayer funded State = Hooray, lots of useless public sector welfare jobs, aren't we noble
Taking from Corporations = Holy grail
Regardless of what the lefties think, why do you oppose this legislation?
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Great! Artificially raise the price of food for everyone!
How would that work? It's providing food to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford food, as such doesn't effect demand or price, as far as I can tell.
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Do you assume that people choose to be poor? Would you rather they starve? Get a grip with reality, the lives of people matter more than economic figures.

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All the lefties who harangue about a MILLION PEOPLE in TWENTY FIFTEEN using FOOD BANKS will celebrate this.

I think this is how their minds work. In all three outcomes, people are being fed:

Charity = Food bank Britain, get the vile Tories out
Taxpayer funded State = Hooray, lots of useless public sector welfare jobs, aren't we noble
Taking from Corporations = Holy grail
Charities are nice, I do a lot of charity work personally. But they don't tackle the fundamental sources of poverty.
Taxing corporations is only right. Tax equates to theft but so does corporate profit. As such it corporate is robbing already stolen money, if that money goes to the poor then it at least has the merit of bringing some good to the world.
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the lives of people matter more than economic figures.
No. Lives matter, but not at every price.
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No. Lives matter, but not at every price.
If the price is Supermarkets giving food which would otherwise be wasted to people who otherwise couldn't afford it then I'm very comfortable with that price as lives are worth significantly more than the only very small amount of revenue a supermarket could squeeze out of these people.

It really isn't a hard decision when parents are missing meals so that their kids don't have to.
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If the price is Supermarkets giving food which would otherwise be wasted to people who otherwise couldn't afford it then I'm very comfortable with that price as lives are worth significantly more than the only very small amount of revenue a supermarket could squeeze out of these people.

It really isn't a hard decision when parents are missing meals so that their kids don't have to.
By doing this you are raising the price of food for everyone else, therefore pulling those who are just managing out of the system and forcing them to use this for free, as well as being a jackass in general for making other people pay for a third party out of nothing.
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