The Student Room Group

Is it a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism?

As well as the stereotype of dreadlocked white boys who think they are going to save the world by drinking too much cider, SOAS also has the angry Muslim stereotype. Either of these true? It's just with the Palestine conference coming up and the stories I have heard of the Islam society publicly menacing members who said they agreed with the Lebanese invasion that it is beginning to sound a bit scary. Clearly the fact lots of Muslims go there does not equal this before you bombard me with figures, I went to KCL where about half the students were Asian and didn't experience this - in fact I was more put off by the activities of the Christian Soc! I just wonder if there is an air of radicalism that will alienate me as a moderate.

Scroll to see replies

Reply 1
The ISoc (Islamic Society) is very moderate. Other groups mask their agendas so no one is targeted by them unless they're already Muslim and quite politicised.
cheesecakebobby
As well as the stereotype of dreadlocked white boys who think they are going to save the world by drinking too much cider, SOAS also has the angry Muslim stereotype. Either of these true?

Absolutely. Unless you are already of the extreme left leaning, anti-Capitalist, anti-American/Israel etc etc inclination prepare to be very amused/distraught at some of the utter tosh you see on political posters and events within and around SOAS.
'Palestine College London'- nice
Reply 4
So it wouldn't be a particularly good idea to wear my Israel Defense Forces T-Shirt to the open day, then?

>_<
Reply 5
AngryBaboon
So it wouldn't be a particularly good idea to wear my Israel Defense Forces T-Shirt to the open day, then?

>_<


Nonsense; it's only sportsmanlike to let the opposition know what they're up against. (In this case; preferably, a wall.)
AngryBaboon
So it wouldn't be a particularly good idea to wear my Israel Defense Forces T-Shirt to the open day, then?

>_<
I will if you will!
Reply 7
We have a wager, good sir.

I'll be there on the 7th of February, and I'm hoping to see dozens of pale curly haired lads and lasses wearing IDF and Mossad t-shirts. Should be quite amusing.
Reply 8
AngryBaboon
We have a wager, good sir.

I'll be there on the 7th of February, and I'm hoping to see dozens of pale curly haired lads and lasses wearing IDF and Mossad t-shirts. Should be quite amusing.


One of you would probably provoke a few grimaces, just as one might if one were wearing any well-known terrorist organisation's T-shirt. A horde of you may provoke a backlash. Be prepared to dive behind the hare krishna cart if ambushed.
Reply 9
Oh my gosh. I don't want to ostracise myself before I even start attending. Maybe I'll stick with some neutral, like a yarmulke.
Reply 10
**Edited at the request of TSR mods** :rolleyes:

SOAS has a very good international reputation and is one of the foremost institutions for the study of the Orient and Africa, or anywhere Europeans are a minority. Whilst it has some very good nationally rated departments for all kinds of things including History and Economics, it surprisingly, and to its credit, also has quite an inclusive admissions policy. This place is definitely better than Queen Mary’s or Goldsmiths in those respects. However, SOAS, like other universities in London with a multicultural majority ethos (note, TSR, change of content) it has a shabby aesthetic and undesirable detritus surrounding it, which in my opinion is absolutely repulsive and abhorrent…

On the several occasions that I have walked through the SOAS campus I have noticed drug dealers hanging around the perimeter gate leading onto Russell Square. The first time this happened I went to the security office and complained. However, they did not do anything (they were probably related to the drug dealers). The dealers probably decide to hang outside SOAS simply because it is sympathetic to African "culture". Indeed, SOAS has a long history of drug use on campus, probably by the aforementioned rich white kids with dreadlocks.

According to Wikipedia “The SOAS bar used to be one of the most famous students' union bars in the UK due to frequent incidents of drug use… The rate of drug use and dealing in the bar got to such levels that it was raided by the police a number of times in the 1990s.” This only changed due to new licensing laws made in 2005. The union thought they would lose the licence so they made it smoke free.

And on the subject of the union: “SOAS Students' Union is known for being the most radically left wing student union in the UK… its stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict often results in accusations of Anti-Semitism… the local Student Respect group has on many occasions hosted talks by George Galloway MP… one society that has had a particular impact on SOAS life is the Palestinian Society. It regularly hosts controversial speakers, some of whom have been involved in hijackings.” The kind of people who Enoch Powell was concerned about.

The union is also very militant, in the same way toddlers throw fits when they can’t have things they want and haven’t learned basic sociological rules of conduct: it has carried out several “occupations” of SOAS buildings in protest at all kinds of things from library fines to the cost of a cup of tea.

So, sounds like a great place to go to university. A dogmatic, intolerant mix of drugs, Muslims, George Galloway, and anti-semitism… what more could you want?
Reply 11
MetalA
**Edited at the request of TSR mods** :rolleyes:

SOAS has a very good international reputation and is one of the foremost institutions for the study of the Orient and Africa, or anywhere Europeans are a minority. Whilst it has some very good nationally rated departments for all kinds of things including History and Economics, it surprisingly, and to its credit, also has quite an inclusive admissions policy. This place is definitely better than Queen Mary’s or Goldsmiths in those respects. However, SOAS, like other universities in London with a multicultural majority ethos (note, TSR, change of content) it has a shabby aesthetic and undesirable detritus surrounding it, which in my opinion is absolutely repulsive and abhorrent…

On the several occasions that I have walked through the SOAS campus I have noticed drug dealers hanging around the perimeter gate leading onto Russell Square. The first time this happened I went to the security office and complained. However, they did not do anything (they were probably related to the drug dealers). The dealers probably decide to hang outside SOAS simply because it is sympathetic to African "culture". Indeed, SOAS has a long history of drug use on campus, probably by the aforementioned rich white kids with dreadlocks.

According to Wikipedia “The SOAS bar used to be one of the most famous students' union bars in the UK due to frequent incidents of drug use… The rate of drug use and dealing in the bar got to such levels that it was raided by the police a number of times in the 1990s.” This only changed due to new licensing laws made in 2005. The union thought they would lose the licence so they made it smoke free.

And on the subject of the union: “SOAS Students' Union is known for being the most radically left wing student union in the UK… its stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict often results in accusations of Anti-Semitism… the local Student Respect group has on many occasions hosted talks by George Galloway MP… one society that has had a particular impact on SOAS life is the Palestinian Society. It regularly hosts controversial speakers, some of whom have been involved in hijackings.” The kind of people who Enoch Powell was concerned about.

The union is also very militant, in the same way toddlers throw fits when they can’t have things they want and haven’t learned basic sociological rules of conduct: it has carried out several “occupations” of SOAS buildings in protest at all kinds of things from library fines to the cost of a cup of tea.

So, sounds like a great place to go to university. A dogmatic, intolerant mix of drugs, Muslims, George Galloway, and anti-semitism… what more could you want?


Muslims aren't the problem. People like you are the problem. George Galloway is a minor problem. Drugs are no problem at SOAS: where they are used, they are used responsibly enough that they don't impinge on most people's academic performances. Anti-semitism? Israel and Hebrew are popular topics and we were recently treated to a lecture on Israel's future by Daniel Pipes!

The security guards have no reason to interfere with people outside SOAS. No one has ever offered me drugs, despite my grizzled exterior, and so I don't see it as a problem. You may be extrapolating from some unfair stereotype in your characterisations here.

Why is it surprising that SOAS has an inclusive admissions policy? Disabled people, women, ethnic minorities, homosexuals and people of other religions are people too, by the way...
Reply 12
I still think it's being a bit too inclusive by admitting drug dealers onto the premises.
Reply 13
MetalA
I still think it's being a bit too inclusive by admitting drug dealers onto the premises.


Drug dealers aren't on the premises: at least not any day since I've been there. You also say that they are outside the premises - outside the gates, which is Camden council's problem, not SOAS's. Lots of older students go to SOAS: it might have been some of them. Did they, or did they not, offer you or anyone else drugs?
Reply 14
MetalA
I still think it's being a bit too inclusive by admitting drug dealers onto the premises.


Not being a big fan of drugs, this kind of worries me. Is it as bad as you say or are you exaggerating? I don't think I'd feel comfortable at a school with so much drugs going around. :s-smilie:
Reply 15
I'm not exaggerating. SOAS historically has an institutional culture of drug taking, as I've mentioned before. I heard this from my friend one time, I thought he was talking rubbish, so when I was walking from Malet Street to Russell Square I cut through the campus. I openly witnessed drug dealing and exchanges taking place, immediately informed the security who seemed indifferent. And as for it being on the periphery, it was literally just outside the gate, but still on campus and within view of everything else. Apparently a lot of dealing goes on around the bar, even though there is a no smoking policy. This is all indicative that radical leftism comes with regular drug use.
Reply 16
MetalA
I'm not exaggerating. SOAS historically has an institutional culture of drug taking, as I've mentioned before. I heard this from my friend one time, I thought he was talking rubbish, so when I was walking from Malet Street to Russell Square I cut through the campus. I openly witnessed drug dealing and exchanges taking place, immediately informed the security who seemed indifferent. And as for it being on the periphery, it was literally just outside the gate, but still on campus and within view of everything else. Apparently a lot of dealing goes on around the bar, even though there is a no smoking policy. This is all indicative that radical leftism comes with regular drug use.


Do people need to read this crap? I go there every day and never see or hear of drugs there.
Reply 17
MetalA

On the several occasions that I have walked through the SOAS campus I have noticed drug dealers hanging around the perimeter gate leading onto Russell Square. The first time this happened I went to the security office and complained. However, they did not do anything (they were probably related to the drug dealers). The dealers probably decide to hang outside SOAS simply because it is sympathetic to African "culture". Indeed, SOAS has a long history of drug use on campus, probably by the aforementioned rich white kids with dreadlocks.


I find most of your comment offensive. Particularly 'The dealers probably decide to hang outside SOAS simply because it is sympathetic to African "culture'' ' for your information, white middle class people ALSO take drugs so for you to make such a comment is quite bizarre. People dealing drugs is definitely a problem, you can not however blame this on 'African culture' especially as you have no facts to support this.
if YOU do not go to this university, how on earth will you be able to give us a truthful account of what it is like there?
I'm not too worried about the drug horror stories. All universities have this to some extent, I knew of people taking drugs when I was at KCL, and my Intercollegiate halls were known to have druggies in them from all different universities. I lived down the road from SOAS and certainly didn't notice the exaggerated reports above. SOAS does have a little bit of a reputation but I'm sure it's no worse than somewhere like Sussex for the occasional pot head.
Reply 19
Renae_nae
I find most of your comment offensive. Particularly 'The dealers probably decide to hang outside SOAS simply because it is sympathetic to African "culture'' ' for your information, white middle class people ALSO take drugs so for you to make such a comment is quite bizarre. People dealing drugs is definitely a problem, you can not however blame this on 'African culture' especially as you have no facts to support this.
if YOU do not go to this university, how on earth will you be able to give us a truthful account of what it is like there?


Because I've been there? Do I have to be enrolled at a university to provide a "truthful" account? OK you want a second opinion, here you go:

http://www.unofficial-guides.com/comments/view/?id=63901e8e8ba1361040ed5378f3246447

Nice story about how a SOAS Muslim who wrote an article in the SU magazine entitled "when only violence will do" then took legal action against SOAS itself...yup:

http://www.unofficial-guides.com/comments/view/?id=4455e6e2469141b94aca33ee26df61a9

"The bar has gained a reputation for being soft on drugs. Although efforts have been made to sort this out with CCTV and under cover police it is still pretty much a haven for those who prefer their pleasures on the illegal side."

http://www.unofficial-guides.com/guides/soas-social.html