Is capitalism worse than feudalism?

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We know the socialists like to exaggerate how bad capitalism is, but when we think of feudalism it makes no sense that they would criticise it as worse than capitalism.

Firstly, it is far more collective than capitalism.

Secondly, peasants and serfs usually had more land and greater protection than they do in the modern world, of course some Lords and Knights were ***** but so are some bosses (and the bosses don't give you land and housing). How is renting land from a Lord any different to modern wage slavery?

Thirdly, we complain about the middle ages having poor social mobility, but we have awful social mobility today, the best way to get good circumstances is to be born into it or marry into it.

Most people today can't even afford to buy a crappy flat in a poor area of London and we are criticising the nobles who let their serfs work on their huge and beautiful lands?
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At least in the USA, capitalism has reached it's peak and from now it will only get bad. It's already extremely hard for a lot of people to afford a decent life and things are bound to get worse. Capitalism does not protect people, it lets them walk on dead bodies to reach their goals here.
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(Original post by LenaSim)
At least in the USA, capitalism has reached it's peak and from now it will only get bad. It's already extremely hard for a lot of people to afford a decent life and things are bound to get worse. Capitalism does not protect people, it lets them walk on dead bodies to reach their goals here.
Capitalism might be described as rule by merchants from the feudal perspective, the merchant class now run the game and they are only interested in profit. They trade in diverse assets and have no loyalties or concern for the welfare of the poor.
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(Original post by LenaSim)
At least in the USA, capitalism has reached it's peak and from now it will only get bad. It's already extremely hard for a lot of people to afford a decent life and things are bound to get worse. Capitalism does not protect people, it lets them walk on dead bodies to reach their goals here.
What do you mean by capitalism in this sense?

The main reason because some people cannot afford is a decent life is because of restrictions on free market capitalism.

Nonsenses like minimum wage laws, government regulation and the lobbying corporations by politicians is distortion of free market capitalism.
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(Original post by LenaSim)
At least in the USA, capitalism has reached it's peak and from now it will only get bad. It's already extremely hard for a lot of people to afford a decent life and things are bound to get worse. Capitalism does not protect people, it lets them walk on dead bodies to reach their goals here.
America reached peak capitalism in the early 19th century.

Since then government has been regulating, taxing and generally discouraging the free-market.


I am amazed as to how anyone can believe America, with one of the biggest public sectors the world has ever seen, can be described as capitalist. It is a queer mix between socialism, corporatism and whatever remnants of capitalism are left over from independence.

But what we are seeing worldwide with the emergence of people like Ron Paul as serious Presidential candidates, the failure of Hollande in France and the Conservative landslide in the UK is a shift in attitude from socialism/corporatism to capitalism. People are getting tired of the lethargic growth, limited civil liberties and repressive nature of socialist governments.

To answer OP, capitalism is certainly not worse than feudalism. You are basing your argument on a fallacy.
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(Original post by LenaSim)
At least in the USA, capitalism has reached it's peak and from now it will only get bad. It's already extremely hard for a lot of people to afford a decent life and things are bound to get worse. Capitalism does not protect people, it lets them walk on dead bodies to reach their goals here.
"peak of capitalism"

America is corporatist and if I am to be generous, Third Way.

There's not much capitalist about America. Enormous regulation, taxation and excessive market meddling.

Since the 1890s America has been less and less capitalist. Hong Kong has long been the flame of capitalism, or Switzerland depending on how you look at it.

Besides, who is it that has it "bad"? Because to my count, most people who complain about their life in the U.S. being in poverty are those who aren't mean to be there in the first place - that is illegal immigrants - and I'm not sure how their opinions are meant to be taken seriously.
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inb4 lack of free market in its truest form..

Most of your woes you guys ***** about are caused by too much government.
Herp derp the cost of living is increasing, its to the greedy business owners i tell yah. #Potato.
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Capitalism naturally evolved from feudalism due to the pressures to bring liquidity to the free market.

I think the question needs to be made more specific to make sense.
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Capitalism naturally evolved from feudalism due to the pressures to bring liquidity to the free market.

I think the question needs to be made more specific to make sense.
naturally evolved = nothing

its like saying democracy naturally evolved into fascism

nope it was forced.
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naturally evolved = nothing

its like saying democracy naturally evolved into fascism

nope it was forced.
Thats just a convenient scapegoat conspiracy theory. It was not forced any more than the internet was.

Evolved does not mean nothing. That's very dismissive. I say evolved because if you study feudalism like I have you'll be surprised to discover that there was no other form that it could have changed to but capitalism. That transition was guaranteed.

I think you're getting mixed up between what capitalism is and what it is used for. What it is is a machinery to liquify assests and mobilise potential. What it is used for is often growing self capital and greed. These are two different subjects altogether and we should pick which one we want to discuss and not get them confused.
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