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I was just wondering if there were any Anarcho-Capitalists on the forum besides me?
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It's cute how you think "anarcho-capitalism" is a thing....

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Yes (not me), although in a minority.

Being a student forum most people here are militant social justice liberals, although most people who visit the 'UK politics' section tend to be more centre-right in my experience. Personally I'm a small-state libertarian.

cleverasvoltaire might be, let's find out
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I for one am a proud Anarcho-Fascist.
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or whorace

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I support a capitalist economic system and recognise that it has been the greatest engine for getting people out of poverty that the world has ever known but anarcho-capitalism is too reductive. Firstly because anarcho-capitalist society would require almost everyone in that society to subscribe to that philosophy and that is not easily achievable without the wider society being a certain way and remaining a certain way. So an anarcho-capitalist society would be impossible right now because no one believes in it and not enough people even believe in minimal state capitalism. People are also too weak to not want to be dependent on government. If you even cut the size of the state just a little bit, so called "austerity", they are out in the streets smashing stuff up and acting like its the end of the world.

It isn't possible to have real capitalism without a healthy supporting culture and it is absolutely not possible to have real capitalism with weak men.
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It's cute how you think you can regulate private property without force.
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To answer the question Not strictly speaking but I think that normatively speaking that it is something which we should aspire to base an idea of our future society upon.
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It's cute how you think you can regulate private property without force.
The same problems plague both anarcho-socialism and anarcho-capitalism i.e. everyone or nearly everyone in the society needs to subscribe to the principles of the society.

The one advantage anarcho-capitalism has over anarcho-socialism is at least it doesn't require everyone to be perpetually altruistic and disregard their natural impulse to provide for their offspring. The genius wouldn't have to be subservient to the ignorant and indolent.
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It's cute how you think you can regulate private property without force.
I don't want to 'regulate' private property, I want to abolish it. Private property always has and always will rest on violence, past and present.
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While economically, anarcho-capitalism might make us better off but in terms of freedom, all we are doing is changing the government for the richest conglomerates, granted there isn't mic difference but you can't incentivise freedom and liberty with an economic system, that has to come from a strong moral code shared by the citizen and the state.

I like to think of the size of the state like the Laffer Curve. In the case of people's taxes there is a revenue-maximising percentage to generate the most revenue. I think there is a liberty-maximising size that a state can be to maintain the most order with the most freedom to all.


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I like to think of the size of the state like the Laffer Curve. In the case of people's taxes there is a revenue-maximising percentage to generate the most revenue. I think there is a liberty-maximising size that a state can be to maintain the most order with the most freedom to all.


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Why is liberty an appropriate goal?
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I Private property always has and always will rest on violence, past and present.
Yes but than can be done so through individual means ie I look after my property and will prevent you taking it by force. You cannot abolish private property on an in individual basis- sure some individuals can but not for everyone unless with the use of collective force ( and therefore not in my definition of anarchism)
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While i have always had more sympathy for anarcho-capitalism than uber conservatism i tend to view many of the notions of capitalist-libertarians to be a nutty and not practical or just absurd.

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I don't want to 'regulate' private property, I want to abolish it. Private property always has and always will rest on violence, past and present.
Why on earth would you wish to abolish private property rights. They are the basis for capitalist incentives and price signals.

Of course i know your a (insert complicated lefty anarchist name) but i never knew you went that far.
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Yes but than can be done so through individual means ie I look after my property and will prevent you taking it by force. You cannot abolish private property on an in individual basis- sure some individuals can but not for everyone unless with the use of collective force ( and therefore not in my definition of anarchism)
What happens when you sleep? Without some form of collective mentality, private property is impossible.
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I don't think the notion of anarchism is feasible. I know because I definitely wouldn't abide by 'rules'.

Although I invite someone to tell my my property isn't mine, my shotgun is ready to point out the contrary.
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What happens when you sleep? Without some form of collective mentality, private property is impossible.
I don't quite follow. If tonight I brake into my next door neighbours house that doesn't invalidate claims of private property.

It's certainly not impossible- even now- though if we were in an anarchist environment now it wouldn't be very good to put it mildly.
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I don't think the notion of anarchism is feasible. I know because I definitely wouldn't abide by 'rules'.

Although I invite someone to tell my my property isn't mine, my shotgun is ready to point out the contrary.
There are no rules with anarchism - only consequences. You want to murder someone? Cool, just don't be surprised if that victims families crucify you later.
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I don't quite follow. If tonight I brake into my next door neighbours house that doesn't invalidate claims of private property.

It's certainly not impossible- even now- though if we were in an anarchist environment now it wouldn't be very good to put it mildly.
Private property is a social institution. Independently of humanity, there would be no private property => it's not a natural right. It must be a particular element of humanity which allows it to be institutionalised, and that is the ability to overcome those who wish to take what you believe to be yours with force. Every individual human is too weak to overcome others entirely, due to basic human needs (especially sleep). It follows that to have an institution of private property, we must have some element of a community who protects each others' property.
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What happens when you sleep? Without some form of collective mentality, private property is impossible.
That's like saying without some form of collective mentality protection from murder is impossible. Obviously without the law we have no guarantee that our property won't be stolen but this doesn't mean the world would be an anarchist socialist paradise in the absence of the law. It would be the law of the jungle where brute force is all that matters.
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