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    (Original post by Charters)
    They are there to help people and save peoples lives, can you imagine if they striked out over pay. The fact that you mention they should shout about their pay, tells people what kind of person you are! As if they have the time- nurses work because they like to help people, just because they don't complain doesn't mean that they should not get higher salaries.
    explain why you cant compare road layers to nurses
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    explain why you cant compare road layers to nurses
    Road laying you don;t need to be as qualified for, you don't need the same personal skills etc etc... I could go on and on.
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    explain why you cant compare road layers to nurses
    One is considered a profession and so needs qualifications, and has a regulated career path including managerial positions and even a Royal College dedicated to it, the other doesn't.

    Nursing is comparable to teaching, in a way.
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    My mum is a nurse on a ward for paralysed people. She has to help people who have lost the ability to do things as basic as go to the toilet, while trying her best to make them feel normal and comfortable. Her job is complicated and emotionally wearing- I'm a big old softie and I KNOW I'd be crying about how much these people have lost- plus she works nights and therefore has to battle the problems of shift work. Not only that, but her boss is stingy and the hospital administration is pitiable. I couldn't do what my mum does and I have so much respect for all nurses.

    My friend is doing a degree in nursing, and she was telling me about the shifts that she'll have to do as part of this. Not only does she have to do the academic stuff, she'll be slogging her guts out for no pay. I think that nurses get a really crappy deal and deserve so much more. It's really not fair.
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    explain why you cant compare road layers to nurses
    no- why should I have to justify my argument- I would of thought it was obvious, you hardly have to pass a series of exams to drive a steam roller and look at the type of workers they attract....
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    (Original post by Charters)
    They are there to help people and save peoples lives, can you imagine if they striked out over pay. The fact that you mention they should shout about their pay, tells people what kind of person you are! As if they have the time- nurses work because they like to help people, just because they don't complain doesn't mean that they should not get higher salaries.
    Now now, just because I like to see the situation as it is without emotional commitments doesn't mean I'm heartless. If they don't complain though, should they get higher salaries? As I mentioned they still have ways to bargain with their employers, most powerful of all, the ability to leave the job if they're not willing to tolerate the low wages.
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    (Original post by Charters)
    no- why should I have to justify my argument- I would of thought it was obvious, you hardly have to pass a series of exams to drive a steam roller and look at the type of workers they attract....
    Haha whats wrong with tatooo wearing daily star reading swearing skinheads? I know thats very stereotypical but a lot of road sufers do look look that.
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    I think the best evidence that ultimately nurses are commanding the labour market to a noticeable degree is the fact that we *do* have a shortage of them. They're not willing to work for those low wages and good for them.
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    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    Haha whats wrong with tatooo wearing daily star reading swearing skinheads? I know thats very stereotypical but a lot of road sufers do look look that.
    yes one of those ruffians spat on my car the other day...well I think he spat on the road and missed, I gave him the benefit of the doubt but he still laughed...
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    The wolf does have an arguement, if nurses were valued more by society and our economic system they would be paid more, and there are a large number of things taht can go wrong with laying a road, just because the job is simplistic doesnt mean its totally devoid of skill. A bulider is a skilled as a nurse and they probably recieve similar wages.

    Would be prepared to pay higher taxed for their wages? personally i would, but its not a case of take wages from fat cat business man and give them to nurse as the business man is rich because of the market and economic system.
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    thanks finally someone with some sense
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    thanks finally someone with some sense
    How is our argument not sensical?

    A diploma or degree is needed to be a nurse so it is a profession, and there is a shortage of nurses suggesting that some people simply don't consider it as a career option, this could be down to the low pay.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    How is our argument not sensical?

    A diploma or degree is needed to be a nurse so it is a profession, and there is a shortage of nurses suggesting that some people simply don't consider it as a career option, this could be down to the low pay.
    if there is a shortage the wages will go up in the market place to encourage people to do it, ie like the wages for plummers went up
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    How is our argument not sensical?

    A diploma or degree is needed to be a nurse so it is a profession, and there is a shortage of nurses suggesting that some people simply don't consider it as a career option, this could be down to the low pay.
    when there is a shortage of nurses --> government should increase wages right?
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    if there is a shortage the wages will go up in the market place to encourage people to do it, ie like the wages for plummers went up
    But as the pay is controlled by the government this does not ahppen, the NHS employs almost all nurses and so can dictate their pay.
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    when there is a shortage of nurses --> government should increase wages right?
    We know there is a shortage but the government doesn't increase wages for several reasons.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    But as the pay is controlled by the government this does not ahppen, the NHS employs almost all nurses and so can dictate their pay.
    but the government has a responsiblity to the people to provide health care at the moment and so has to ensure that there enogh nurses so wages will go up in the long run

    i think wages havent gone up at the moment since the NHS can get foreign nurses for less money
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    We know there is a shortage but the government doesn't increase wages for several reasons.
    these would be?
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    But as the pay is controlled by the government this does not happen
    why?
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    (Original post by Speciez99)
    but the government has a responsiblity to the people to provide health care at the moment and so has to ensure that there enogh nurses so wages will go up in the long run

    i think wages havent gone up at the moment since the NHS can get foreign nurses for less money
    There are enough nuses, just, but that doesn't mean there isn't a shortage, for one thing I believe there are fewer training and it would be better if we had more than enough.
 
 
 
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