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amazingtrade
I make this thread because if the nurses weren't nice and patient my hospital visit would have been hell but they were very good with me even when I was sick on one of them. I think considering how little they get paid they do a very good job and are often undervalued.

I certainly have 100 times more respect for nurses than I do to fat cat business people.

one of the crap aspects of living in a capitalist society is that the people who work the hardest and are the most selfless, don't neccessarily get the respect and money they deserve. Those who can exploit the system not those who are deserving get the rewards.
Reply 61
Lord Huntroyde
There are enough nuses, just, but that doesn't mean there isn't a shortage, for one thing I believe there are fewer training and it would be better if we had more than enough.


so you have enough nurses but we need more? :confused:
Reply 62
Lord Huntroyde
There are enough nuses, just, but that doesn't mean there isn't a shortage, for one thing I believe there are fewer training and it would be better if we had more than enough.


So there are enough nurses but there is also a shortage? :confused:
Reply 63
Speciez99
these would be?

Well the main one is lack of funding, increasing wages would put pressures on other areas of the NHS where funding would decrease.
Reply 64
The typical role of a nurse has developed so far in so little time that it's no suprise that wages have not as yet, caught up. It is possible for a nurse to earn beyond the Grade G level but this is dependent on a number of criteria being met. RGNs, CPNs, RMNs.. the list goes on........... salary is specific to the field you choose to study within - it's not as simple as starting from scratch, the amount of training involved to become a specialist is on a par with that of a doctor.

It's not only Nurses who are being underpaid - the role of both Paramedics and Technicians are seriously undervalued too.
Reply 65
Lord Huntroyde
Well the main one is lack of funding, increasing wages would put pressures on other areas of the NHS where funding would decrease.

You make a very good point - but I'm convinced that money is being thrown at areas where wastage is rife and given some strict financial management and cost appraisal, more money could easily be ploughed back into primary care services.
Reply 66
my mums a nurse and she loves being one so i presume the job isn't that hard although she says it is. i think they shud get a lot more pay though coz they have to do jobs such as wiping arses and injections and stuff that requires loadsa responsiblity. doctors on the other hand get paid to just sit there all day and are no help at all (well my doctor isnt lol).
Reply 67
Good point about the government being a monopsonist Huntroyde. Time to privatise the NHS? (jk :wink:)
TheWolf
Whereas there are jobs that many people can do ie nursing who requires no real qualifications or special skills.


Personally I think it takes a truely special person to be a nurse, I know I certainly couldn't do it. I'd be a complete mess in an emergency or if a patient died on me.
Reply 69
I just had an experience with nurses. Now I care about them.
Reply 70
My mum was once a nurse and left the NHS after about 10 years for a private hospital and got 50% more pay plus on many occasions, tips. (Although she gave it up and started her own business :smile:)
Personally I think the public sector is always going to be less financially rewarding so in the end it'll be solely made up of people "imported" from L.E.D.C.s.
Reply 71
I am considering nursing if i don't get the grades i need to do the course i want. Nursing is tough, doctors get the credit for what nurses do a lot of the time and its nurses who run the wards not doctors (and i'm saying this as a prospective med student!). Nurses have clinical skills, social skills and have to take a lot of crap for what they do. They get paid nowhere near the amount they deserve.
Reply 72
amazingtrade

I certainly have 100 times more respect for nurses than I do to fat cat business people.


Same, Although i do want to be a fat cat buisiness man 1 day :biggrin:
Nurses are very underrated. And more underpaid.
Reply 74
TheWolf
i am not saying nurses are not important :mad: you dont get paid well because you have a good heartWhy do railway workers get paid so little?..etc when they provide us so much good, why do road layers get paid so little? The job market will be in a state of equilibrium. If there are nursing shortages - wages will rise to a level where there are enough nurses to supply the demand.


There is a shortage in nurses, that's why britain is recruiting in the Philipines.

And train drivers get paid about double what a nurse gets.

It's not just nurses, in fact nurses are some of the highest paid workers in the NHS, the only people who really make money in the NHS are managers.
Reply 75
NHS is not supposed to make money, it is for the welfare of the society - therefore workers are underpaid. If nurses want to make more money they would go into private hospitals
Reply 76
TheWolf
NHS is not supposed to make money, it is for the welfare of the society - therefore workers are underpaid. If nurses want to make more money they would go into private hospitals

It is supposed to make money that it can then reinvest in staff and services.

It makes enough money to pay it's large managerial staff plenty.
Reply 77
Lord Huntroyde
It is supposed to make money that it can then reinvest in staff and services.

It makes enough money to pay it's large managerial staff plenty.


tell me how nhs make money to finance so much staff and services
Reply 78
TheWolf
you don't need a university degree to become a nurse - trust me, my mum was a nurse


Excactly when was your mum a nurse? In the days of SRN and SEN? In the days of RGN? Or perhaps in the days when you could become qualified by working on wards for a number of years, becoming an auxiliary and then SEN?

Things change, most nurses now take a degree, if not they do a diploma which is still university education. There have been huge changes in nurses training over the past few years, and it's neccessary for the nurses to have relevant skills.

Some people don't just work because they get money, some peope don't choose their job because it is the highest paid. Some people actually believe in making a difference. That's why people go into professions such as medicine, nursing, teaching.

Look at the number of people who do voluntary work. Either abroad or in Britain. My grandmother was in a hospice for a time, most of the staff were volunteers - yes TheWolf - some people choose to spend shifts making beds, administering drugs and being puked on for the grand some of £0.00. OK I'll give you some time now to get over the shock of that.
Reply 79
TheWolf
tell me how nhs make money to finance so much staff and services

Well OK it doesn't make money, but what I mean is part of the taxes we pay is supposed to help give the staff a good wage, they are, after all, the most important part of the NHS, indeed, the medical staff are the NHS.

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