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Original post by Helenia
Well, trialling usually involves two sessions a day, morning ones in Ely, and when you have to be in vet school all day or at night or whatever, it becomes rather difficult. It might be a tiny bit more possible for vets than medics, where I know it's pretty much impossible due to being placed out of Cambridge and 8am surgical starts.


With College Rowing, how is that trialed? Also, I'm guessing some college's are better than others from what you've said. Which are the better colleges for rowing? I'm obviously not going to base my college application on just that, but I'm looking at St Catherine's at the moment :smile:
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Original post by Dave_Beeston
With College Rowing, how is that trialed? Also, I'm guessing some college's are better than others from what you've said. Which are the better colleges for rowing? I'm obviously not going to base my college application on just that, but I'm looking at St Catherine's at the moment :smile:


http://www.cucbc.org/charts?year=2010&event=M&day=Fi&sex=M

The results from last year's Mays. St Catz are a pretty solid college for rowing.

As for how it's trialled, colleges have a variety of methods, seat racing, erg scores, past performances etc... (Same way you might do anything else). At the smaller colleges it's probably less competitive.
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Original post by SimonM
http://www.cucbc.org/charts?year=2010&event=M&day=Fi&sex=M

The results from last year's Mays. St Catz are a pretty solid college for rowing.

As for how it's trialled, colleges have a variety of methods, seat racing, erg scores, past performances etc... (Same way you might do anything else). At the smaller colleges it's probably less competitive.


Catz had a horrendous few years back when I was an undergrad - there was one set of bumps when every single crew got spoons. It seems they fluctuate a lot.

The consistently good colleges IMO (with slightly less variability, though everyone has bad years) are Caius, Trinity, Jesus and dare I say it, the Maggie scum (St John's for those not in the know).
Original post by Athena
Have you seen Clare so far this week?!


Things could be going better :redface: W2 got bumped the first day and overbumped yesterday when they crashed into Grassy, M1 got bumped and so did we (W1). m2 have gone up 2 though :smile:

Amazed by Hughes Hall men, double overbump :eek: Impressive!
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Original post by SimonM
http://www.cucbc.org/charts?year=2010&event=M&day=Fi&sex=M

The results from last year's Mays. St Catz are a pretty solid college for rowing.

As for how it's trialled, colleges have a variety of methods, seat racing, erg scores, past performances etc... (Same way you might do anything else). At the smaller colleges it's probably less competitive.


oh please please please don't base 'good' and 'bad' college rowing by bumps charts! this makes me very sad :frown: and a little :mad:
bumps charts reflect how lucky a boat may or may not be, and although can reflect training, it often reflects past and not current standard.

most colleges have training weeks before terms (rich colleges somewhere posh, us poor colleges on the cam) and that comes into it, as well as experience and erg tests (normallly 2ks)

however, I would have to agree that Catz is a solid rowing college. At least when I applied it was known as one of the 'sporty' colleges
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Original post by SimonM
http://www.cucbc.org/charts?year=2010&event=M&day=Fi&sex=M

The results from last year's Mays. St Catz are a pretty solid college for rowing.

As for how it's trialled, colleges have a variety of methods, seat racing, erg scores, past performances etc... (Same way you might do anything else). At the smaller colleges it's probably less competitive.


Our boat usually gets set early on in term, after a training camp and erg tests. To give you an idea of 1st boat standards the 2ks in our boat typically range from 6:15 to 6:55 with an average around the high 6:30s, maybe a little faster in the mays. Most of the people in the boat have been rowing for 2-4 years, with one guy having rowed for about 8years.

Video of us racing on day 1 of bumps this year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOfv-hfj_Gk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Original post by Athena
Have you seen Clare so far this week?!


I've been stalking results on the FaT website - it's a bit depressing with the exception of M2 (who had their run of being a spoon barge while I was there!) It just really shows how colleges who aren't in the top flight can really vary hugely over just a few years - in my 2nd/3rd year, Clare W1 were one of the best on the river; then M1 pulled their socks up and were good for a few years, now it's all changing again. :frown:

Sadly I won't be able to come down to watch Lents but might try to make it for Mays. My cousin is in Christ's M1 who actually look like they might have a chance (in, I think, a boat named after his grandfather!), and is now coached by our old coach - it's a small world!
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Original post by Helenia
I've been stalking results on the FaT website - it's a bit depressing with the exception of M2 (who had their run of being a spoon barge while I was there!) It just really shows how colleges who aren't in the top flight can really vary hugely over just a few years - in my 2nd/3rd year, Clare W1 were one of the best on the river; then M1 pulled their socks up and were good for a few years, now it's all changing again. :frown:

Sadly I won't be able to come down to watch Lents but might try to make it for Mays. My cousin is in Christ's M1 who actually look like they might have a chance (in, I think, a boat named after his grandfather!), and is now coached by our old coach - it's a small world!


with the weather we're having atm don't bother watching!! you'll get almost enough entertainment value from a combination of camfm commentary (how can these people be such idiots???) and the girtonbc youtube channel.

cam rowing is so cyclical - people are only here for 3 years, and so if you have a couple of years of exceptional rowers and they all leave then you are doomed. this is what we had last year - we had lots of great 3rd years plus lots of great 4th yrs (engineers etc) and then they all left and we're back to where we were 4 years ago. last year our 1st women's had 3 triallists and the rest could have trialled if they wanted - now most have left and we have 4 novices in the 1st boat. last year we had 4 or 5 boats on each side and this struggle to get 2.

:frown: its just how cam rowing works for smaller colleges i suppose. and i still wouldn't swap bumps for a boring head race, even at those times when i got bumped 3/4 days!
Original post by Helenia
Do you actually row or do you just erg? Very few people make it into the (male) Blues squad as undergrads fresh from school if they did not do a LOT of rowing at school. You need the technique as well as the erg times. Also, who taught you to erg? I ask because you see an awful lot of people at the gym using the machines with terrible terrible technique and who could improve their times massively, and stop damaging their backs, with just a bit of tweaking. Even some gym instructors aren't great at teaching you how to use them.

As has been said, 7:20 is a long way off the required standard - at some colleges that wouldn't even get you into their first boat. Keep working at it, and if you get in, get involved at a college level first, and if you do well at that, think about trialling.


7:20 wouldn't get you into the first boat at any college.
So far a bit depressing for Jesus Lower boats :frown:, let's see if we flip that in two hours.
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Original post by elin89
oh please please please don't base 'good' and 'bad' college rowing by bumps charts! this makes me very sad :frown: and a little :mad:
bumps charts reflect how lucky a boat may or may not be, and although can reflect training, it often reflects past and not current standard.


It's not a bad way to judge the quality of college rowing. It takes a while to get to the top, so you have to be reasonable consistent to be there.
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Original post by Elementric
7:20 wouldn't get you into the first boat at any college.


Corpus? Wolfson? (I can't think of any others that you'd get in with that though)
Original post by Elementric
7:20 wouldn't get you into the first boat at any college.


As I said in my post, when I did the 7:20 2k I hadn't even been rowing for 2 weeks. It was just a casual erg, and my fitness has improved after about 4 months of rowing :smile: So IF I got into Cambridge, I would've been rowing for 2 years, so I'm pretty sure I could get a sub 6:55! I wasn't expecting a 7:20 to do anything, but I just wanted to know how people did on their first 2k in comparison to their 2k now :smile:
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We're racing on Saturday!

After one sexuality outing.

Which we're having on Friday afternoon.

I think I speak for the whole crew when I say:

'Get it on'
Original post by Dave_Beeston
As I said in my post, when I did the 7:20 2k I hadn't even been rowing for 2 weeks. It was just a casual erg, and my fitness has improved after about 4 months of rowing :smile: So IF I got into Cambridge, I would've been rowing for 2 years, so I'm pretty sure I could get a sub 6:55! I wasn't expecting a 7:20 to do anything, but I just wanted to know how people did on their first 2k in comparison to their 2k now :smile:


I'm a girl, so obviously my times are higher, but just as an example of how things change. At the start of term (6 weeks ago) I did my first 2k, with people shouting at me etc. I went off too fast and ended up with 8:27.3, but that didn't seem too shabby with other people's first ones for comparison.
Two weeks ago I did our 2nd test (without the shouting :P) and pulled 7:53.8, with a feeling I could squeeze a couple more seconds out, as I'd be advised to aim for 8:05 and suddenly realized I was going to beat it. That puts me solidly in the middle of our college first boat (admittedly with 4 triallists gone). That's after just over a month of 4 outings, 1/2 ergs and circuits a week, and I learnt to row last term :smile:

On another note, bumped again today :frown:
Original post by Athena
Hahahahahaha:


Caius did hit them very, very hard.
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Original post by ClaireW2708
I'm a girl, so obviously my times are higher, but just as an example of how things change. At the start of term (6 weeks ago) I did my first 2k, with people shouting at me etc. I went off too fast and ended up with 8:27.3, but that didn't seem too shabby with other people's first ones for comparison.
Two weeks ago I did our 2nd test (without the shouting :P) and pulled 7:53.8, with a feeling I could squeeze a couple more seconds out, as I'd be advised to aim for 8:05 and suddenly realized I was going to beat it. That puts me solidly in the middle of our college first boat (admittedly with 4 triallists gone). That's after just over a month of 4 outings, 1/2 ergs and circuits a week, and I learnt to row last term :smile:

On another note, bumped again today :frown:


awww shame about the bump - we got bumped too, but murray edwards are incredibly good this year. i don't know what tit hall have done this year, but they are doing amazingly well, no shame in being bumped by them!

for an ex-novice you are really good!! the benchmark for dev sqaud and considering trialling for women is an 8min 2k - so congrats! everyone left, so we have 4 exnovices in w1, so my nowherenearsub8min 2k puts me 5th out of our 8, but i have the experience that comes with being old (4 yrs rowing as opposed to 1 or 2 which is the norm for our boat), so hope i add that value! i think i saw your boat rowing down today...

have a look at the video of maggie crashing on girton's youtube channel, it will make you smile :biggrin:
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Original post by Dave_Beeston
As I said in my post, when I did the 7:20 2k I hadn't even been rowing for 2 weeks. It was just a casual erg, and my fitness has improved after about 4 months of rowing :smile: So IF I got into Cambridge, I would've been rowing for 2 years, so I'm pretty sure I could get a sub 6:55! I wasn't expecting a 7:20 to do anything, but I just wanted to know how people did on their first 2k in comparison to their 2k now :smile:


i'm confused whether you're going to row for two years, or just erg.

anyway, you probably won't. but have a go.
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Caius are doing quite well hmm?

I like to think I laid the groundwork for this.
Original post by elin89
awww shame about the bump - we got bumped too, but murray edwards are incredibly good this year. i don't know what tit hall have done this year, but they are doing amazingly well, no shame in being bumped by them!

for an ex-novice you are really good!! the benchmark for dev sqaud and considering trialling for women is an 8min 2k - so congrats! everyone left, so we have 4 exnovices in w1, so my nowherenearsub8min 2k puts me 5th out of our 8, but i have the experience that comes with being old (4 yrs rowing as opposed to 1 or 2 which is the norm for our boat), so hope i add that value! i think i saw your boat rowing down today...

have a look at the video of maggie crashing on girton's youtube channel, it will make you smile :biggrin:


I've seen it; loved it :biggrin: There's been some brilliant crashes so far, I've been watching bumps for a few years and not seen all that many before. Tit Hall are doing pretty great this year, the club overall is up 9 from 11 races this week, 2 rowovers. We were just disappointed that they got us so fast because we rowed really, really badly. Oh well, tomorrow :smile:

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