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Reply 200
so which is considered more rah halls, aside of holland, birks or penny c?
Students at Cornwall campus, University of Exeter
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Anyone who might be tempted to agree with Jamjar ought to take a look at this table of fees and note how international students (the vast majority of whom study at postgraduate, not undergraduate, level) pay three-four times more than home students - and are generally not entitled to loans, grants, etc. In other words, they subsidise our university system - kind of valuable in these 'dire economic straights' (sic).

While studying here they buy goods in our shops, and if they work they pay taxes in the same way that home students would. Once qualified, in the event that they do overstay (or, perhaps, gain legitimate residency as they have valuable skills and something to contribute), they have worked hard for good degrees and are not exactly likely to then sit on their arses working on the kinds of low-paid jobs which are congenial to illegals.

Make all the arguments you like about other kinds of immigration, but there is simply no logical way that students who travel from abroad, at great personal expense, to study at UK universities do not provide us with a major net economic benefit - the most direct beneficiaries of which is the "indigenous school leaver" Jamjar mentions.
Reply 202
Well as a current 2nd year undergrad at Exeter, i have to admit that Exeter is Posh. But still everyone still gets along very well. Its not so bad as everyone thinks it is. I have friends at Exeter that went to Eton, Harrow et al, and i am from a state school. Though, i'll admit, some of our interests our very different. for instance, some of my friend's from Eton and Harrow are avid Polo players. Obviously, this is a posh thing. but besdies that, banter with them is always still good.
Reply 203
nonswimmer
Anyone who might be tempted to agree with Jamjar ought to take a look at this table of fees and note how international students (the vast majority of whom study at postgraduate, not undergraduate, level) pay three-four times more than home students - and are generally not entitled to loans, grants, etc. In other words, they subsidise our university system - kind of valuable in these 'dire economic straights' (sic).

While studying here they buy goods in our shops, and if they work they pay taxes in the same way that home students would. Once qualified, in the event that they do overstay (or, perhaps, gain legitimate residency as they have valuable skills and something to contribute), they have worked hard for good degrees and are not exactly likely to then sit on their arses working on the kinds of low-paid jobs which are congenial to illegals.

Make all the arguments you like about other kinds of immigration, but there is simply no logical way that students who travel from abroad, at great personal expense, to study at UK universities do not provide us with a major net economic benefit - the most direct beneficiaries of which is the "indigenous school leaver" Jamjar mentions.


Indeed it is so that the table of fees show international students apparently being charged more for their degrees. However most people don't realise is that most of these international students (i.e. non-EU) benefit from bursaries or grants courtesy of the UK tax payer. The EU foreign student who is entitled to a student loan courtesy of the UK tax payer to finance his or her stay and it seems that when they graduate most fail to repay their debt. So every foreign student at a UK university really means one less place for an indigenous student with no opportunity to get that well paid job as its likely gone to the foreign graduate. :eek3:
However most people don't realise is that most of these international students (i.e. non-EU) benefit from bursaries or grants courtesy of the UK tax payer.


Can you provide a source to back this up?

The EU foreign student who is entitled to a student loan courtesy of the UK tax payer to finance his or her stay


As part of a reciprocal arrangement which entitles British students to similar treatment in the EU - and where you've put 'finance his or her stay' you mean, in most cases, just 'help to cover the cost of tuition fees' - it looks like in hardly any cases do EU nationals get help with living costs (link)

it seems that when they graduate most fail to repay their debt


At a cost of a pretty trivial £3.8m according to this BBC news report...

So every foreign student at a UK university really means one less place for an indigenous student with no opportunity to get that well paid job as its likely gone to the foreign graduate.


If you can provide some stats on how many international students remain in the country and go into employment, vs how many return to their own countries or travel to different countries, that would help to put your argument into perspective. I can't believe that EVERY foreign student deprives a UK national of a job, as you have said.
nonswimmer
Can you provide a source to back this up?



As part of a reciprocal arrangement which entitles British students to similar treatment in the EU - and where you've put 'finance his or her stay' you mean, in most cases, just 'help to cover the cost of tuition fees' - it looks like in hardly any cases do EU nationals get help with living costs (link)



At a cost of a pretty trivial £3.8m according to this BBC news report...



If you can provide some stats on how many international students remain in the country and go into employment, vs how many return to their own countries or travel to different countries, that would help to put your argument into perspective. I can't believe that EVERY foreign student deprives a UK national of a job, as you have said.


Why bother rising to the bait of an obvious troll? Its clear he has nothing worthwhile or factual to say on these forums...just look at his rep count! :smile:
I know, but in this thread he's not being rude, and this is a reasonably consequential argument, especially at election-time. So I'm curious to see whether he has any sources for the more dubious things he's saying.

Plus I find something a bit wrong about the whole TSR rep thing. Seems to encourage us to disregard and disengage from the views of the minority, just cos they've got a neg rep. That doesn't seem very healthy or very fun to me.
Reply 207
Original post by kuroptd
I keep reading about how there are lots of posh students at Exeter. Is that really true? I don't want to go somewhere where people care what I'm wearing, or what type of car I'm driving.
So I'm asking..if anybody knows about that.

(And also- If I go to exeter will I see many black people?- Im scared of being the only black person in the room most of the time.)


One of the good things about the whole PC brigade is that racism has now become completely unacceptable - so you really shouldn't worry about it anymore, because you've got about 99% of the country on your side

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