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I want him to be the leader. My mum and dad said a real socialist will be fantastic for the UK and everyone on my street agrees that corbyn will deliver a landslide victory against the bullingdon club chums. He has CORE LABOUR principles and won't bow to the rhetoric and scaremongering of the tories or the United Kingdom Idiots Party. Instead he will deliver us from the evil of the tory toffs and lead us into a new golden age which everyone wants apart from rich toffs.

Everyone knows he's the ONLY viable option for labor. Anyone else going to be voting for jezza to get some real change for the country?
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Yes I will be voting for him.
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Yes yes yes.
The one real labour contender. The only one not trying to be tory lite.
He won't win though and even if he does, if you thought the press were biased against Miliband, their treatment of Corbyn will make the right wing press seem part of the milifandom.
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I was thinking of voting for him, primarily based on this from his bio on the labour website
"I oppose austerity and believe a prosperous economy is within our reach if based on productive investment in strong public services and infrastructure. Protecting our environment, celebrating diversity and tackling inequality are integral to my work, and I have a long-standing commitment to peace and human rights."
For me Austerity is a deal breaker and the other's don't seem to be challenging the Tory perception that its the best thing since sliced bread.
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I will wholeheartedly support his cause.
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I want him to be the leader. My mum and dad said a real socialist will be fantastic for the UK and everyone on my street agrees that corbyn will deliver a landslide victory against the bullingdon club chums. He has CORE LABOUR principles and won't bow to the rhetoric and scaremongering of the tories or the United Kingdom Idiots Party. Instead he will deliver us from the evil of the tory toffs and lead us into a new golden age which everyone wants apart from rich toffs.

Everyone knows he's the ONLY viable option for labor. Anyone else going to be voting for jezza to get some real change for the country?
Yep I'm a conservative and hope all you reds vote for him, will keep my fingers crossed he gets the job.
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Absolutely.

I will be voting for Corbyn.

He will offer policies that the majority of the British public endorse. Almost 70% of people, for instance, support renationalising the railways and the energy companies. He'll be able to appeal both to Green and SNP voters, many of whom abandoned Labour because they weren't radical enough, as well as disenfranchised voters who see no real difference between Labour and the Conservatives. Moreover, there was a significant swing from Labour to UKIP in many working class areas, in which people are economically leftwing but simply want to leave the EU. After the referendum, UKIP will become partially redundant, meaning that Corbyn's leftwing policies could well win back many UKIP voters who voted for a party they thought was "anti-establishment".

Given that only around 25% of eligible voters endorsed the Conservatives, there are a lot of votes to be gained, and Jeremy Corbyn is the leader to do it. The sum of the Green and SNP vote alone makes up the less than 2 million vote difference between Labour and the Conservatives. Labour are easily in a better position than the Conservatives were from 1997-2008, too.

On the other hand, the mainstream media will act, to an even greater extent than with Ed Miliband, as the Conservative propaganda machine. But, if Corbyn gets his message across, which he is good at doing, and simply speaks his mind, as perhaps Miliband failed to do at times, then he can combat the rightwing press.

People want an honest, principled leader, and Corbyn - who, incidentally, claims the least in expenses out of all the MPs - is both. The press are never going to endorse a non-Blairite Labour leader anyway, so there's no point in trying to appeal to them, and Corbyn understands this.
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I'd like to see him leader if only to answer the question of whether England will really vote for a true left winger.

That said, as a Tory I can tell you that almost everybody sees him as the best thing since Foot.
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I'd like to see him leader if only to answer the question of whether England will really vote for a true left winger.

That said, as a Tory I can tell you that almost everybody sees him as the best thing since Foot.
He won't get Tories no, he's get huge swathes of the disenfranchised left back as well as lots apathetic people who don't vote.
He won't win anyway though, the press won't allow it.
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Have labour still not learnt from the disaster of Milliband. You can never win an election from the left. Centre left maybe but not the left. Corbyn would do the conservatives another huge favour in 2020. People just don't want a socialist govt as shown on May 7th. That is why the conservatives have a significant advantage as they offer opportunities and the ability to get on in life and not be restricted as a result of the party of anti aspiration. So do vote Corbyn as it will keep labour out of govt again which is what this country needs.
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https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/05/18...r-move-centre/

"Labour’s problem this time (well, not the only one, but a big one) was not so much that it WAS left-wing but that it LOOKED left-wing, and therefore a threat to prosperity"


Corbyn does not slot into that. Corbyn will make labour look very left wing.
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Have labour still not learnt from the disaster of Milliband. You can never win an election from the left. Centre left maybe but not the left. Corbyn would do the conservatives another huge favour in 2020. People just don't want a socialist govt as shown on May 7th. That is why the conservatives have a significant advantage as they offer opportunities and the ability to get on in life and not be restricted as a result of the party of anti aspiration. So do vote Corbyn as it will keep labour out of govt again which is what this country needs.
You haven't said anything meaningful. Like what does that mean? Ed was hardly a communist. He was ever so left of centre if where the Tories are plonked is centre. They can't win Scotland to the right of the SNP. **** knows what the UKIP lot want, but offering an EU referendum would have helped.

Everything you have just said is correct in the sense that is how it is "packaged". The Tories wrap their policies up in a more customer friendly way. Uh. But non of what you said actually means anything beyond marketing. Having people barley surviving does not conduce to aspiration. Nor does taxing nom doms inhibit aspiration. Labour should have had their "left" policies in the background and not campaigned around them. Like how the Tories don't campaign around their NHS privatization schemes or their lack of concern about non paid internships. They need to dupe the "centrist" voters who beleive dumb **** like Osborne is an economic genius. But then that doesn't work in Scotland.

Having a strong leader would also help. Labour needs a Sturgeon. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the SNP just been a nation wide party challenging labour.
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You haven't said anything meaningful. Like what does that mean? Ed was hardly a communist. He was ever so left of centre if where the Tories are plonked is centre. They can't win Scotland to the right of the SNP. **** knows what the UKIP lot want, but offering an EU referendum would have helped.

Everything you have just said is correct in the sense that is how it is "packaged". The Tories wrap their policies up in a more customer friendly way. Uh. But non of what you said actually means anything beyond marketing. Having people barley surviving does not conduce to aspiration. Nor does taxing nom doms inhibit aspiration. Labour should have had their "left" policies in the background and not campaigned around them. Like how the Tories don't campaign around their NHS privatization schemes or their lack of concern about non paid internships. They need to dupe the "centrist" voters who beleive dumb **** like Osborne is an economic genius. But then that doesn't work in Scotland.

Having a strong leader would also help. Labour needs a Sturgeon. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the SNP just been a nation wide party challenging labour.
I mean that the last time labour won an election was with Blair. Therefore history shows that the party needs to be more centre ground in order to gain support of middle class voters. You say miliband wasn't left wing? Of course he was! His dad was a Marxist and his policies were anti aspiration by demonising people that work hard to earn a good salary. I'm just saying that a large reason for their loss is that they came across as anti business, growth and aspiration. Whereas the conservatives reward hard work with tax cuts and opportunities to make a better life. The conservatives also encourage people to work by stopping benefits for young people and not giving them the option of sponging off the state.That is what I think is fair and creates a better society.
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I mean that the last time labour won an election was with Blair. Therefore history shows that the party needs to be more centre ground in order to gain support of middle class voters. You say miliband wasn't left wing? Of course he was! His dad was a Marxist and his policies were anti aspiration by demonising people that work hard to earn a good salary. I'm just saying that a large reason for their loss is that they came across as anti business, growth and aspiration. Whereas the conservatives reward hard work with tax cuts and opportunities to make a better life. The conservatives also encourage people to work by stopping benefits for young people and not giving them the option of sponging off the state.That is what I think is fair and creates a better society.
You've effectively just re-branded it but nonetheless, to me that still sounds like taking from the poor to give to the rich. That isn't an ideology I could ever subscribe to. Penalising Poor people for being poor by making them even more poor seems counter-intuitive to me and doesn't "encourage" people back to work it sweeps the rug from under their feet making them even more dependent on the state.

And as for rewards for hard work, personally I think their 6 figure salaries are reward enough, taxes aren't a punishment, it's your duty to pay taxes for the betterment of society, the more you earn the more you can afford to pay.
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I want him to be the leader. My mum and dad said a real socialist will be fantastic for the UK and everyone on my street agrees that corbyn will deliver a landslide victory against the bullingdon club chums. He has CORE LABOUR principles and won't bow to the rhetoric and scaremongering of the tories or the United Kingdom Idiots Party. Instead he will deliver us from the evil of the tory toffs and lead us into a new golden age which everyone wants apart from rich toffs.

Everyone knows he's the ONLY viable option for labor. Anyone else going to be voting for jezza to get some real change for the country?
Yes I'm sure your street is full of impartial political commentators and analysts.

The only Labour leader to win a general election in almost 40 years is Tony Blair. If Corbyn, by some miracle, becomes leader then he'll go the way of Neil Kinnock and Michael Foot. Elections are won in the centre.
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You've effectively just re-branded it but nonetheless, to me that still sounds like taking from the poor to give to the rich. That isn't an ideology I could ever subscribe to. Penalising Poor people for being poor by making them even more poor seems counter-intuitive to me and doesn't "encourage" people back to work it sweeps the rug from under their feet making them even more dependent on the state.
Quite the opposite. I support giving the poor opportunities through things like apprenticeships, jobs in order to improve their lives and not have to revert to benefits. However only a strong economy can provide that which the conservatives provide. I think that the common misconception with the tories is that they are just for the rich. However they have created the foundations for economic growth which can then be used to improve the lives of the poor rather than just keeping them in the continuous cycle of benefits.
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Quite the opposite. I support giving the poor opportunities through things like apprenticeships, jobs in order to improve their lives and not have to revert to benefits. However only a strong economy can provide that which the conservatives provide. I think that the common misconception with the tories is that they are just for the rich. However they have created the foundations for economic growth which can then be used to improve the lives of the poor rather than just keeping them in the continuous cycle of benefits.
If the labour party had presided over what the Tories have they would be getting lambasted from all angles on their economic incompetence.
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I want him to be the leader. My mum and dad said a real socialist will be fantastic for the UK and everyone on my street agrees that corbyn will deliver a landslide victory against the bullingdon club chums. He has CORE LABOUR principles and won't bow to the rhetoric and scaremongering of the tories or the United Kingdom Idiots Party. Instead he will deliver us from the evil of the tory toffs and lead us into a new golden age which everyone wants apart from rich toffs.

Everyone knows he's the ONLY viable option for labor. Anyone else going to be voting for jezza to get some real change for the country?
I want him to be leader for the very reasons you've stated.

That will ensure that labour don't get voted in again.
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You haven't said anything meaningful. Like what does that mean? Ed was hardly a communist. He was ever so left of centre if where the Tories are plonked is centre. They can't win Scotland to the right of the SNP. **** knows what the UKIP lot want, but offering an EU referendum would have helped.

Everything you have just said is correct in the sense that is how it is "packaged". The Tories wrap their policies up in a more customer friendly way. Uh. But non of what you said actually means anything beyond marketing. Having people barley surviving does not conduce to aspiration. Nor does taxing nom doms inhibit aspiration. Labour should have had their "left" policies in the background and not campaigned around them. Like how the Tories don't campaign around their NHS privatization schemes or their lack of concern about non paid internships. They need to dupe the "centrist" voters who beleive dumb **** like Osborne is an economic genius. But then that doesn't work in Scotland.

Having a strong leader would also help. Labour needs a Sturgeon. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the SNP just been a nation wide party challenging labour.
Labour needs a politician who lies?
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Having a strong leader would also help. Labour needs a Sturgeon. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the SNP just been a nation wide party challenging labour.
You mean if they were the Greens?
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