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shady lane
If that were they case, why would they have applicants stay at all? Oxford is obviously the top choice for most of its applicants, but you forget that they are competing with foreign universities as well. There are people who would take Harvard over Oxford, or would take a full grant to a top university in their home country, like Bocconi or Sciences Po. So yes, there is going to be a level of wanting to convince applicants to be 100% for Oxford, because as people are saying that do not allocate places in the same way as other universities and seem to be less flexible when people don't take their offers.


With regards the Harvard thing, I think there are very few British students who apply to foreign universities, at least on a permanent (non-exchange) basis. Perhaps we just like our own education system, I don't know, but your comment then comes down to internationals who as you say may well be applying to many world-wide and great universities. In those cases though you do not necessarily have to attend an interview. Some people can't make it across the Atlantic with flights and so on and the persuasion you talk about doesn't really apply.

As for the last comment, it's true... both Oxford and Cambridge are stuck in their ways - quirky and traditional though they are. They don't really lack numbers to fill the places though, and until they do I don't see them changing and don't see any real need to do so.

Edit: I think the thing we forget about here, as Athena pointed out quite clearly, is that the uni's have a lot of experience in this! They know the system inside and out and they know a lot more about you as an applicant than perhaps you think they do. They've seen it so many times and they have long term statistics to help them along. Manchester may have only 200 places, but I'm willing to bet they made close to a 1000 offers, knowing full well that many of the people that applied to them, just from the nature of the grades and the date of receival etc, had other unis in mind (like Oxbridge/ Durham wherever). The uni's aren't stupid, they know the game and they probably know how to play it far better than we do.
F1 fanatic
With regards the Harvard thing, I think there are very few British students who apply to foreign universities, at least on a permanent (non-exchange) basis. Perhaps we just like our own education system, I don't know, but your comment then comes down to internationals who as you say may well be applying to many world-wide and great universities. In those cases though you do not necessarily have to attend an interview. Some people can't make it across the Atlantic with flights and so on and the persuasion you talk about doesn't really apply.


Yes I was generally referring either to Brits who are open-minded enough to consider foreign universities (:p:) or to international applicants. And they do have interviews in some foreign cities.

We also have teams of interviewers who visit China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, North America and Singapore in October and November in order to interview candidates from these areas.
shady lane
Yes I was generally referring either to Brits who are open-minded enough to consider foreign universities (:p:) or to international applicants. And they do have interviews in some foreign cities.

This is true, but it doesn't offer quite the same enlightenment that attending the actual place can give. I don't think a group of 3 interviewers walking into a conference centre in a foreign city is really going to persuade me that Oxford is the place to be.
LordSweden
Just realised I essentially paraphrased Nikki12345 point


I'm glad someone agrees with me! I can understand that it's different for everyone, but from my own experience, I just know that yes, there was some pressure for me to apply and back then I wasn't too keen, but if it wasn't for one of my teachers saying "You may as well give it a go, because if not you'll regret it," I'd never have applied, and I probably would end up regretting it. And now I'm extremely grateful to the people who persuaded me to go for this. But everybody's different and if, even after interviews and an offer, somebody doesn't feel like it's right for them, to me it just seems silly to take it purely because it's Oxford.
Shady: This thread has made me understand why you go on and on about the same things (plus now I only post twice a month, I find it far less annoying). Some of these views are just insular enough to make a feotus look broad. minded. I can see how it'd be pretty shocking to an outsider...

By the way, I think Oxford probably loses students to Harvard (and Yale etc) because it doesn't do enough to chase them. Harvard chased me pretty well, nothing aggressive but just keeping in touch and having a party on one occasion. Oxford did pretty much nothing, it was a kind of please accept within three weeks so we can sort out our admin. I still picked it of course, but I bet others won't have...
Haha well this guy turned down Cambridge for Harvard and is now on American Idol!

http://www.harvardindependent.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleID=7677

For Lowe, who hails from Manchester, England, starting college at 23 was simply the next step in a series of decisions taken to indulge his real passion: singing. He had taken a similar decision towards the end of his secondary school career when an interview at Cambridge was left in the dust as he made his first-ever trip to London to audition with the manager of the Pet Shop Boys, who was looking to put together a new band. A #7 UK single, European tour, Top of the Pops appearance and a television series later, Tom was ready to move on to something he found far more satisfying—London’s West End. After stints in Les Miserables and Cats, Tom looked west to Broadway, and coming to Harvard was one way to form a base in the US that would allow him to pursue a place in the New York spotlight.


Sorry to get so off-topic :p: I'm watching the show right now :biggrin:
Reply 46
So he didn't turn a cambridge offer down so much as not turn up for his interview.
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shady lane
Haha well this guy turned down Cambridge for Harvard and is now on American Idol!

http://www.harvardindependent.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleID=7677

If he's from Manchester, what's he doing on American Idol?:confused:
I'd be interested to know, Shady Lane, what your opinion would be of someone who rejected an offer from Harvard?
hobnob
If he's from Manchester, what's he doing on American Idol?:confused:


Hahah sorry to go off topic with that. I was literally watching the show and googled him because he said he'd been in a boy band with a top single in the UK. You don't have to be American to be American Idol, as long as you are legally living in the US you can compete.

Anyway...
Agrippina
I'd be interested to know, Shady Lane, what your opinion would be of someone who rejected an offer from Harvard?


I personally hated Harvard haha. In the US, there's no Oxbridge; because there are so many universities, and they are mostly privately funded, there are about 5-10 that are really excellent, as opposed to 2 like in the UK. Rejecting Harvard for Princeton, Yale, MIT, or Stanford would be reasonable in my opinion, also because Harvard is known for having bad undergraduate education.

If we're talking about internationally, like Harvard vs. Oxford, I think people should go where they will be happiest. The education systems are different, as are the universities. Harvard is more diverse than Oxford, and it has liberal arts education instead of the singular degree. For some people, that's perfect; for others, it's their worst nightmare! It's also much, much easier to do undergrad at a top US university and get into a masters at Oxbridge than vice-versa, because the top US universities offer very few masters courses, many of which require work experience beforehand. For example, I would have loved to go to Columbia's School of International Policy but they only take 5% of applicants straight from undergrad!
Hey

OP I don't think your being selfish etc. - I'm in a similar position: I really loved oxford on the open day in summer, but gradually went off it after I had applied. I hated the interviews and the atmosphere when I was there, and just assumed I would get rejected. Now I've got an offer, and don't know what to do with it. But at the end of the day, I want to go into research, and I can't help feeling that if I turn it down I will regret it!

Your parents should understand that if you really want to make a career out of your subject, you need to go somewhere you enjoy. It's better to go to another uni than to hate Oxford and drop out in the first term!!!

Anyway, hope you make up your mind.
Reply 52
Universities reject people, people reject universities; it's a fact.
Oxford makes more offers than it has spaces; it's a fact.
I know somebody who was rejected by Imperial and accepted by Oxford. They may well have preferred Imperial but, in the circumstances, would have been daft not to apply to Oxford.
The system already forces you to pick between Oxford and Cambridge - you cannot apply to both. Wouldn't it be good if you could make an open application to "Oxbridge" and be considered for both? Universities such as Oxford make the rules. If you're clever you'll play those rules to your advantage. How many of you, if the rules allowed, would have applied to both Oxford and Cambridge? Most would probably do so even if it meant somebody else loosing out.
Remember, university is not God. Rejecting it doesn't condemn you to eternal damnation.
Reply 53
How many of you, if the rules allowed, would have applied to both Oxford and Cambridge? Most would probably do so even if it meant somebody else loosing out.
Very good point.
hey, if someone rejects there place at oxbridge can't it go through clearing????
Reply 55
nope, like most uni's oxford & cambs make more offers than places, plus open offers, so if people don't get the grades their spaces are filled by those with open offers, not necessarily from the same subjects, but that way there's always roughly the same number of new students each year
Oxbridge do not enter into clearing. Those at clearing probably won't have attended interview and given that Oxbridge puts so much emphasis on interview it would not be fair on those they rejected earlier on in the process. Besides, they would not, in their view, be able to make a judgement on the quality of an applicant simply from their grades.
I'm in the same situation aswell. I know Oxford is proabably the sensible choice but I can't help but wonder if reputation and prestige are enough to base my decision on. If I'm honest, after open days and research etc, I far preferred Imperial to Oxford. It is only the reputation of Oxford that would make me go there, and the benefits an Oxford degree would have when I start looking for a job. I think I would be happier going to Imperial, but then I suppose you can never really tell until you go there, and I'll never know what the other univeristy would have been like. So basically, I'm stuck as to what to do too. Any advice?
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windcriesmary
I'm in the same situation aswell. I know Oxford is proabably the sensible choice but I can't help but wonder if reputation and prestige are enough to base my decision on. If I'm honest, after open days and research etc, I far preferred Imperial to Oxford. It is only the reputation of Oxford that would make me go there, and the benefits an Oxford degree would have when I start looking for a job. I think I would be happier going to Imperial, but then I suppose you can never really tell until you go there, and I'll never know what the other univeristy would have been like. So basically, I'm stuck as to what to do too. Any advice?


Honestly? If you really prefer it that much - go for Imperial. I had to make the choice between Manchester and Oxford, and tbh, I really wish I'd have gone with my heart instead of my head.
I think that's probably just me, and maybe I wouldn't like Manchester any more that I do Oxford (which is not very much at all :p:), but make sure you're doing it for the right reasons. For most undergraduate degrees, research doesn't really make a huge difference in terms of how much better the degree is. And remember that London can feel very impersonal at times - my ex is doing Maths&Stats there, and even though he lives in halls & goes out to socialise, it doesn't feel like there's that 'student' feel - he says he sometimes feels isolated. And it seems that it's quite racially cliquey :s-smilie: ? Maybe that's just because it's London or something, and as I don't actually go there, nor did I apply, I'm not sure. And remember that you'll have to pay London prices for accomodation!
In short - there are lots of reasons to dismiss Imperial in favour of Oxford, but if your heart is still telling you that you'll be *happier* at Imperial, then go for it!!
What subject, btw? Oh, and maybe post on the Imperial forum?
Reply 59
Thanks for the advice and even with the huge diversion into American vs. English unis the advice was very illuminating. (Did anyone read the Times supplement about Harvard and Yale being cheaper than Oxbridge, some of the scholarships are insane!?) Im still awaiting (hopefully) an offer from UCL and Im pretty sure Im gonna choose them if I get the offer. I know Oxbridge degrees are considered fantastic but I consider a qualification from a specialist institution like the School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies just as useful for my intended career path. Plus I want to do the East European Studies MA at St. Anthony's College Oxford so Im not really missing out. I guess really its just up to each individual to decide for themselves. Im proud that I got a place at Oxford and Im sorry that maybe Im causing someone else to miss out but I want to keep it as back up in case I have a change of heart - and I don t think thats selfish. I hope all the people who are considering places like Imperial over Oxbridge are able to look back and say they made the right decision, just like I hope I can.

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