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Why are pharmacists not Doctors, they do similar years to Med/Dental students?

They do 4 years in Uni and a further one year pre-reg training course. 5 years in total- similar to any vet/medic or dental student (5-6 years)

If pharmacists were doctors, I think more patients would go to them rather then seeing the doctor for issues such as hayfever medicines not working, sprains and cholesterol tests.

At my pharmacy (work experience) not many people came for advice. But rather to pick up/drop off prescriptions.

They are specialists in drugs, so why don't more people use us?

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Cos they are not expected to have the same ability as doctors.

They are just there to make sure if the prescription says.....Citalopram 20 mg tablets (28), you get 28 tablets of Citalopram 20 mg and nothing else. They also query doses, but thats rare.
Original post by EPluribus Unum
Cos they are not expected to have the same ability as doctors.

They are just there to make sure if the prescription says.....Citalopram 20 mg tablets (28), you get 28 tablets of Citalopram 20 mg and nothing else. They also query doses, but thats rare.


But they do offer a lot more services now then before (a decade ago). So I was just thinking, if patients consulted with pharmacists it would ease pressure off the GP's, which would allow more patient care with regards to medications prescribed, advice and reassurance.
I think we'd have a better health care service.
Original post by BewareTomato
But they do offer a lot more services now then before (a decade ago). So I was just thinking, if patients consulted with pharmacists it would ease pressure off the GP's, which would allow more patient care with regards to medications prescribed, advice and reassurance.
I think we'd have a better health care service.



Pharmacists are under enough pressure. We are understaffed and overworked. We don't have 10 mins to spend with each customer, if you want that to happen, pass a law that requires more pharmacists and dispensers per pharmacy.

If you come to a pharmacy with a problem, 99% of the time the remedy is on the shelf. You are just wasting the pharmacists time. "Oh I have a cold", now come on dear, just take some Dayquil or something, you don't need to be the brain of britain to figure that out.
Original post by EPluribus Unum
Pharmacists are under enough pressure. We are understaffed and overworked. We don't have 10 mins to spend with each customer, if you want that to happen, pass a law that requires more pharmacists and dispensers per pharmacy.

If you come to a pharmacy with a problem, 99% of the time the remedy is on the shelf. You are just wasting the pharmacists time. "Oh I have a cold", now come on dear, just take some Dayquil or something, you don't need to be the brain of britain to figure that out.


That's true
Original post by BewareTomato
That's true


This is speaking from experience by the way, I've worked in such an establishment for an awfully long time.

We are so understaffed its amazing, I have to stop what im doing mid job to see a customer, it's a joke. Pharmacy has become business and in business all they care about is money. They might as well overwork the staff, make them leave and pull in other staff on the fly. That way they keep their nice profit.
Original post by EPluribus Unum
This is speaking from experience by the way, I've worked in such an establishment for an awfully long time.

We are so understaffed its amazing, I have to stop what im doing mid job to see a customer, it's a joke. Pharmacy has become business and in business all they care about is money. They might as well overwork the staff, make them leave and pull in other staff on the fly. That way they keep their nice profit.


It mainly is business related. True.

Thanks for giving me an insight into what Pharmacy is really like. :u:
Original post by EPluribus Unum
This is speaking from experience by the way, I've worked in such an establishment for an awfully long time.

We are so understaffed its amazing, I have to stop what im doing mid job to see a customer, it's a joke. Pharmacy has become business and in business all they care about is money. They might as well overwork the staff, make them leave and pull in other staff on the fly. That way they keep their nice profit.


That's disappointing! I'm starting a pharm course in Sep and was really looking forward to the patient aspect of the job. Is this the situation in only community or in pretty much every type of pharmacy work?
Original post by AyCaramba
That's disappointing! I'm starting a pharm course in Sep and was really looking forward to the patient aspect of the job. Is this the situation in only community or in pretty much every type of pharmacy work?


Though I do like the idea of learning about drugs.

I think I need to reconsider what I want to do at uni. Aha. (#year12struggles)
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Original post by AyCaramba
That's disappointing! I'm starting a pharm course in Sep and was really looking forward to the patient aspect of the job. Is this the situation in only community or in pretty much every type of pharmacy work?


I've only worked in a community pharmacy. The hours are long, you are standing all day so your feet get destroyed, you deal with customer abuse, you sort out delivery and do prescriptions and do trays and deal with customers and deal with electronic prescription service and collect prescriptions from a surgery for PCS.

It's painful to say the least.

The only way out is increase staff numbers, but they will never do that. What's worse is when locums are incompetant and you have to tell THEM what to do.
Original post by AyCaramba
That's disappointing! I'm starting a pharm course in Sep and was really looking forward to the patient aspect of the job. Is this the situation in only community or in pretty much every type of pharmacy work?


Original post by BewareTomato
Same, I think I need to reconsider what I want to do at uni. Aha. (#year12struggles)


There are loads of different career paths for pharmacy degrees - you don't necessarily have to work in a chemist. There's quite a lot of info here. :h:
Reply 11
To answer the original question, Pharmacists are trained to do a different job. It's like saying why are dentists not medics? The job they do is valued and they know more medications than any doctor would hope to learn. They are also a safety-net to make sure doctors don't accidentally overdose their patients.

Pharmacists in hospitals also play a vital role is suggesting the best medication for a specific patient depending on their comorbidities. Long story short, they're just as qualified as a doctor or dentist, but in pharmacy.

P.S. the dude who stands at the counter and passes over your meds is probably a dispenser/cashier and not a pharmacist. It's the guy in the background that's got the pharmacy degree.
Original post by Dokky16
To answer the original question, Pharmacists are trained to do a different job. It's like saying why are dentists not medics? The job they do is valued and they know more medications than any doctor would hope to learn. They are also a safety-net to make sure doctors don't accidentally overdose their patients.

Pharmacists in hospitals also play a vital role is suggesting the best medication for a specific patient depending on their comorbidities. Long story short, they're just as qualified as a doctor or dentist, but in pharmacy.

P.S. the dude who stands at the counter and passes over your meds is probably a dispenser/cashier and not a pharmacist. It's the guy in the background that's got the pharmacy degree.



Not really, the doctors prescribes it, so therefore he in theory needs to know as much if not more than the pharmacist.
Original post by Dokky16
To answer the original question, Pharmacists are trained to do a different job. It's like saying why are dentists not medics? The job they do is valued and they know more medications than any doctor would hope to learn. They are also a safety-net to make sure doctors don't accidentally overdose their patients.

Pharmacists in hospitals also play a vital role is suggesting the best medication for a specific patient depending on their comorbidities. Long story short, they're just as qualified as a doctor or dentist, but in pharmacy.

P.S. the dude who stands at the counter and passes over your meds is probably a dispenser/cashier and not a pharmacist. It's the guy in the background that's got the pharmacy degree.


Oh! Alright, it's just I'm interested in working at hospitals along side doctors and nurses.

Thank you so very much!!!!

Is it difficult to get a job in a hospital after pre-reg?
Original post by Dokky16
To answer the original question, Pharmacists are trained to do a different job. It's like saying why are dentists not medics? The job they do is valued and they know more medications than any doctor would hope to learn. They are also a safety-net to make sure doctors don't accidentally overdose their patients.

Pharmacists in hospitals also play a vital role is suggesting the best medication for a specific patient depending on their comorbidities. Long story short, they're just as qualified as a doctor or dentist, but in pharmacy.

P.S. the dude who stands at the counter and passes over your meds is probably a dispenser/cashier and not a pharmacist. It's the guy in the background that's got the pharmacy degree.



P.S that dude can do everything the pharmacist can do. That dude picks off your medication, whether its tablets such as Naproxen 500 mg or solutions such as Cetirizine Hydrochloride 5mg/5ml etc. That dude generates the label, writes on the dose, applies the label and gives it to the pharmacist to check. That dude is very capable and sure he may not have a pharmacy degree, but can effectively run the place on his own while the pharmacist just checks what he does.
Original post by EPluribus Unum
Not really, the doctors prescribes it, so therefore he in theory needs to know as much if not more than the pharmacist.


Theoretically yes, they should do. But they can't. It's not possible.

A doctor needs to learn about symptoms, prevention, laws and have experience working in hospital settings.

they should do in theory...
Reply 16
Original post by EPluribus Unum
That dude is very capable and sure he may not have a pharmacy degree, but can effectively run the place on his own while the pharmacist just checks what he does.


Hate to break it to you but if that's the case a lot of experienced nurses can EASILY do a doctors job. It doesn't happen though because only people with the correct qualification can sort things out when **** hits the fan i.e. when the prescription says 5mg instead of 5mcg. The dispensing isn't hard but the checking and responsibility is.

And pharmacists work alongside doctors and nurses in hospitals. Trust me, I've been training to be a doctor for 5 years!
Reply 17
Original post by BewareTomato


Is it difficult to get a job in a hospital after pre-reg?


From the pharmacists I've spoken to, it's not too bad.
Original post by Dokky16
Hate to break it to you but if that's the case a lot of experienced nurses can EASILY do a doctors job. It doesn't happen though because only people with the correct qualification can sort things out when **** hits the fan i.e. when the prescription says 5mg instead of 5mcg. The dispensing isn't hard but the checking and responsibility is.

And pharmacists work alongside doctors and nurses in hospitals. Trust me, I've been training to be a doctor for 5 years!


You can't compare Medicine to Nursing. Medicine involves high levels of thinking and diagnosis. Nursing involves doing the stuff doctors can't be bothered to do, like taking blood pressure.
Reply 19
I sort of agree.

Both just give out paracetamol/ibuprofen instead of applying any sort of skill to resolving an ailment.

:wink:

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