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Math Tripos or NatSci for Theoretical Physics?

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Original post by jneill
Are you doing NatSci? Maths? Or Mech Eng... ?

[Ellipsibus are great aren't they...]


I didn't bother studying the NatSci or physics or MMATHPHYS. That's a long story and not relevant to this thread. And the ellipisis is not offensive in this context.

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Original post by Joshua Benabou
Hello,

I intend to apply to Cambridge for 2016 entry. My ultimate goal is to become a theoretical physicist, so I will need a strong foundation in both mathematics and physics.

I also love mathematics for its own sake, and I am interested in pure math subjects that might not be taught to the typical Natural Science student. For example, I doubt that real analysis, set theory, or analytic number theory are taught in the Natural Science program at Cambridge, but I really do wish to study these at some point, hopefully in a classroom setting rather than on my own. I wish that I could learn all of the stuff in the Math Tripos in addition to all the physics required to do theoretical physics.

Thus I am unsure whether to take the Natural Sciences option with a specialisation in physics or the Math Tripos and then switch to physics at some point, or the Math With Physics option.

Which option should I take in order to become a theoretical physicist with the same experience in math as someone who did the Math Tripos? If you could describe each option in detail that would also be helpful.

Thanks.


If it has to be Cambridge then Maths without a shadow of a doubt.
I am going to stir things up by saying

I general
a good mathematician can be trained to do physics, but not the other way round.
Original post by TeeEm
If it has to be Cambridge then Maths without a shadow of a doubt.
I am going to stir things up by saying

I general
a good mathematician can be trained to do physics, but not the other way round.


You're right, I don't disagree. I doubt that would stir much trouble. Maybe if you said it about engineering lol.

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Original post by Arieisit
I didn't bother studying the NatSci or physics or MMATHPHYS. That's a long story and not relevant to this thread. And the ellipisis is not offensive in this context.


But you say: "I was in the same position as you at one point and that's what I did. Still applied to Cambridge Nat Sci though but the other unis I applied for the MMATHPHYS courses."

And yet you do Engineering now don't you? Did you re-apply the following year and change course? If so that's fine. It just helps us see the value and context of your advice...

[... offensive yet?]
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Original post by jneill
But you say: "I was in the same position as you at one point and that's what I did. Still applied to Cambridge Nat Sci though but the other unis I applied for the MMATHPHYS courses."

And yet you do Engineering now don't you? Did you re-apply the following year and change course? If so that's fine. It just helps us see the value and context of your advise...

[... offensive yet?]


I asked the universities to switch my offers after the fact to engineering, they all raised my offers but yeah, they agreed to the change.

It was only offensive because it felt like he was patronising me. Can we drop this now?

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Original post by Arieisit
You're right, I don't disagree. I doubt that would stir much trouble. Maybe if you said it about engineering lol.

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I am not just saying that to please you...
I do have a lot of respect for engineers (some fields)
Despite the advice given in this thread I am still very unsure as to what to do. I know for sure that I want to attend Cambridge. I want to become a theoretical physicist, so ultimately I should have a deeper training in physics than in mathematics. However I would also like to have a very strong foundation in maths. I know it will be difficult to take extra classes, given the enourmous amount of work from my main classes and the fact that there may be logistical conflicts. The option is between the Math Tripos with physics specialisation, Math with Physics, or NatSci with Physics specialisation. Can someone please explain clearly how much math and how much physics each one will have, and how flexible each one is.

The thing I don't like so much about U.S colleges is that you are required to study thing completley unrelated to your "major". For example if you wish to become a physicist you can't study only math and physics - you must also study history/philosophy/literature/economics, at least in the first 2 years of undergrad. I prefer the Cambridge system where you only study one course, except that it seems to be so rigid that one cannot even pursue 2 closely related subjects (math and physics) simultaneously.

Thanks again for your advice.
Original post by Joshua Benabou
Despite the advice given in this thread I am still very unsure as to what to do. I know for sure that I want to attend Cambridge. I want to become a theoretical physicist, so ultimately I should have a deeper training in physics than in mathematics. However I would also like to have a very strong foundation in maths. I know it will be difficult to take extra classes, given the enourmous amount of work from my main classes and the fact that there may be logistical conflicts. The option is between the Math Tripos with physics specialisation, Math with Physics, or NatSci with Physics specialisation. Can someone please explain clearly how much math and how much physics each one will have, and how flexible each one is.

The thing I don't like so much about U.S colleges is that you are required to study thing completley unrelated to your "major". For example if you wish to become a physicist you can't study only math and physics - you must also study history/philosophy/literature/economics, at least in the first 2 years of undergrad. I prefer the Cambridge system where you only study one course, except that it seems to be so rigid that one cannot even pursue 2 closely related subjects (math and physics) simultaneously.

Thanks again for your advice.


Any of the Cambridge courses above can provide you a good training in Physics. Bear in mind that for Natural Sciences, you will have to study another experimental science alongside physics in the first year. Our maths course has many options for applied mathematics and the maths with physics course even more so. The best thing you can do is to try and get to an Open Day. We're open all day Thursday and Friday if you're free?

What we often find is that students will begin to study with us with a very strong and fixed idea of what they are interested in and, within a few terms, are very interested and committed to a completely different area of their subject. This is part of the reason our courses are so flexible - to allow students the ability to pursue their interests and still get a good grounding in their topic. The real training to be a specialist theoretical physicist/ancient historian/evolutionary biologists comes with further training at the postgraduate level.
Original post by Peterhouse Admissions
The best thing you can do is to try and get to an Open Day. We're open all day Thursday and Friday if you're free?


Unfortunatley I live in the U.S and its quite expensive to travel to the UK back and forth. I will only be able to make one trip which is for interviews.

I'm still unsure which of the three options I should take: Tripos and then take mainly physics courses at some point, NatSci with physics specialization, or the Math with Physics.Is there some place where I can find out more about the differences between the three options I mentioned and what kind of courses are involved with each?

Thanks.
After having done more research, I have decided to do Math with Physics and enter the NatSci Tripos in the second year with a specialization in physics.
Original post by Joshua Benabou
After having done more research, I have decided to do Math with Physics and enter the NatSci Tripos in the second year with a specialization in physics.


Now that you've made the decision. I hope you know what would be in store for you. STEP. It is an examination set out by the University of Cambridge designed to test the most able students (think top 1%). This was the primary reason I did not apply to Cambridge to study Mathematics because it is a very big commitment to make.

Are you aware of the admissions process for Maths at Cambridge?

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@Arieisit: I'm well aware of the math admissions at Cambridge. I've taken some STEP exams from recent years and I've averaged 10-11 problems within the time limit. I also took some recent Trinity Math Entrance Exams, which are 10 questions to be done in an hour, and I have been able to do all 10 within the time limit. I do math olympiads so I'm well trained in the kind of problem solving that appears on STEP.
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Original post by Joshua Benabou
@Arieisit: I'm well aware of the math admissions at Cambridge. I've taken some STEP exams from recent years and I've averaged 10-11 problems within the time limit. I also took some recent Trinity Math Entrance Exams, which are 10 questions to be done in an hour, and I have been able to do all 10 within the time limit. I do math olympiads so I'm well trained in the kind of problem solving that appears on STEP...


Fixed it for you :smile:

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Original post by jneill
Fixed it for you :smile:

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!!!! Are you honestly trying to piss me off? Because you wouldn't like to be an active enemy of mine.

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Original post by Arieisit
!!!! Are you honestly trying to piss me off? Because you wouldn't like to be an active enemy of mine.

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My eyes! All those exclamation marks...

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Original post by Arieisit
!!!! Are you honestly trying to piss me off? Because you wouldn't like to be an active enemy of mine.

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Arieisit I'm not sure if you're talking to me or someone else... If you are talking to me, the answer is no, I am not trying to piss you off in any way and I'm not sure why you would think that I am.
Original post by Joshua Benabou
Arieisit I'm not sure if you're talking to me or someone else... If you are talking to me, the answer is no, I am not trying to piss you off in any way and I'm not sure why you would think that I am.


I wasn't speaking to you. He quoted me and I quoted him.

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Original post by Joshua Benabou
Hello,

I intend to apply to Cambridge for 2016 entry. My ultimate goal is to become a theoretical physicist, so I will need a strong foundation in both mathematics and physics.

I also love mathematics for its own sake, and I am interested in pure math subjects that might not be taught to the typical Natural Science student. For example, I doubt that real analysis, set theory, or analytic number theory are taught in the Natural Science program at Cambridge, but I really do wish to study these at some point, hopefully in a classroom setting rather than on my own. I wish that I could learn all of the stuff in the Math Tripos in addition to all the physics required to do theoretical physics.

Thus I am unsure whether to take the Natural Sciences option with a specialisation in physics or the Math Tripos and then switch to physics at some point, or the Math With Physics option.

Which option should I take in order to become a theoretical physicist with the same experience in math as someone who did the Math Tripos? If you could describe each option in detail that would also be helpful.

Thanks.


Pointless chat by many on this board.

There's a thread on this section where you can ask a Maths tutor who will give you advice for this.

Personally, I am inclined to believe that the best route into theoretical physics would be through the maths tripos and taking physics as a minor
Original post by Joshua Benabou
Hello,

I intend to apply to Cambridge for 2016 entry. My ultimate goal is to become a theoretical physicist, so I will need a strong foundation in both mathematics and physics.

I also love mathematics for its own sake, and I am interested in pure math subjects that might not be taught to the typical Natural Science student. For example, I doubt that real analysis, set theory, or analytic number theory are taught in the Natural Science program at Cambridge, but I really do wish to study these at some point, hopefully in a classroom setting rather than on my own. I wish that I could learn all of the stuff in the Math Tripos in addition to all the physics required to do theoretical physics.

Thus I am unsure whether to take the Natural Sciences option with a specialisation in physics or the Math Tripos and then switch to physics at some point, or the Math With Physics option.

Which option should I take in order to become a theoretical physicist with the same experience in math as someone who did the Math Tripos? If you could describe each option in detail that would also be helpful.

Thanks.

Hello, what did you end up doing?
I am in the exact same situation, but a difference is that I dont want to become a theoretical physicist. I want to apply to imperial and warwick for mathematics and physics degree, but is that possible? How would I shape my personal statement?
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Original post by alprgunes
Hello, what did you end up doing?
I am in the exact same situation, but a difference is that I dont want to become a theoretical physicist. I want to apply to imperial and warwick for mathematics and physics degree, but is that possible? How would I shape my personal statement?


That poster hasn't been online since 2015...

Are you asking if you can apply to Imperial for Maths, and Warwick for Physics? Are you applying to Cambridge at all (if so, which course)?

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