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    i guess me and my cousin are set to become rivals then
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    (Original post by Solis Invictus)
    And congrats to you for being at Cambridge.

    Isn't this a nice little mutual-appreciation society?
    Indeed.
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    (Original post by Solis Invictus)
    King's people despise UCL people, not LSE'ers.

    As for why I think Warwick is overhyped, it's really only because it has yet to produce anyone of note, mainly because it's so young. And it's in Coventry. Even though it's called the University of Warwick. Everyone knows that its research and teaching is excellent - but it will take time for that to convert into distinction. Also, the City is not exactly Warwick-dominated.

    And cheers for the congrats.
    Your welcome. The reason it is called University of Warwick is because it is located in Warwick Shire, though you are right it is closer to Coventry, than it is to Warwick.
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    (Original post by Pencil Queen)
    So what is your source?

    Leekeys source was the unofficial guides (http://www.unofficial-guides.com/guides IIRC)

    Were you at Glastonbury last week? Every time it was on the news I thought of you!

    How often is the unofficialguides website updated? The reason I ask is that some of the information contained therein does seem a little out of date.
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    sorry i may sound a bit thick here but what are KCL and ICL oh and i would add royal school of african studies i think they're quite well known especially for law
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    (Original post by Tombomb)
    sorry i may sound a bit thick here but what are KCL and ICL oh and i would add royal school of african studies i think they're quite well known especially for law
    ICL - Imperial College London
    KCL - King's College London
    LSE - London School of Economics

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    sorry i may sound a bit thick here but what are KCL and ICL oh and i would add royal school of african studies i think they're quite well known especially for law
    royal school of african studies? i think you mean school of oriental and african studies (SOAS)?
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    (Original post by gangrene)
    hey this just proves how bored i am and how inspired i am by all these new threads popping up on league tables....so heres a new one....gimme ur top ten Uk universities most recognized internationally:

    This is mine...

    1.Oxford - Cambridge
    2.LSE
    3.ICL
    4.KCL
    5.Warwick
    6.Bristol
    7.UCL
    8.Nottingham
    9.Edinburgh
    10.Birmingham
    No way is birmigham that high!!! N durham shud be up there.
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    Oxbridge
    LSE
    Imperial
    UCL
    KCL
    Edinburgh
    St.andrews
    Durham

    Id expect these 9 to be the best known, cant think of a 10th which sticks out from the rest.
    That's reasonably fair although Imperial is def. more renound than LSE which has an equal footing with UCL. The top four according to http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/rank-Europe.mht are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and UCL.
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    (Original post by Tony)
    That's reasonably fair although Imperial is def. more renound than LSE which has an equal footing with UCL. The top four according to http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/rank-Europe.mht are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and UCL.
    No offence, but that table is seriously flawed as Sussex, Liverpool, LEICESTER and Leeds are definetly not more ahead of Nottingham, York, Warwick and Durham which do not even appear in that table
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    (Original post by Tony)
    That's reasonably fair although Imperial is def. more renound than LSE which has an equal footing with UCL. The top four according to http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/rank-Europe.mht are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and UCL.

    um LSE isnt even there wtf :confused:
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    Well, here are the UK unis that most people where i'm from (the East Coast) are most familiar with. Pardon me if I mention any annoying American Colloqialisms, just got back from the "annoying americanisms" thread.

    1. Oxford : 1. [very large factor] Clinton went there. If we didn't know about it before, we were sure to know about it after the Clinton campaign greatly publicized the fact that he was a Rhodes Scholar. 2. The Rhodes Scholarship, strictly for US students. Very possibly one of the only reasons why Oxford is more recognized in the US than Cambridge. 3. For some reason everyone equates Oxford with boarding school gentry-types or the really genius really old fashioned old-world literature types (think Masterpiece Theater). 4. If you're from an expensive prep school in Massachusetts or New York or any place in New England, you're basically bred to come to this school and usually those are the only people in the US expected to get into this school.

    2.Cambridge: Mostly well known for physics and the sciences. Most people in this area believe that Cambridge is superior academically to Oxford although Oxford holds a lot more cache (not quite sure why).

    3. LSE: 1. Probably because it's a specialist school, it helps a lot reputation wise. Of course the same logic would have applied to IC or SOAS but it doesn't :rolleyes: . 2. Alumni factor or affiliated students factor, notabley John F. Kennedy and Mick Jagger. 3. The name gets thrown around a lot in business circles, LSE is very prestigious in New York City if you'd like to get into business and they have their own little cocktail parties with Oxbridge alum as well (other unis aren't invited. Aint that a b*tch?) 4. The school that desperately tries to be Chicago . U of Chicago's the mecca of Economics in the US, and a lot would argue the world. They beat Harvard in this field hands down and has the most nobel prizes in economics research and more nobel prizes than Oxford and Cambridge.

    4. U of Edinburgh: 1. Scottish capital, a lot of people where I'm from adore Scotland. And if they haven't heard of the Uni, they've heard of the city and somehow they assume it must be good. 2. Stanford University (VERY prestigious college in the states), has a computer engineering alliance with Edinburgh. 3. Known for being loosely connected with Dolly the sheep 4. Alumni factor. Has notabley :cool: alumni; Arthur Conan Doyle, Charles Darwin, Hume

    5. St. Andrews: 1. Name's recognizeable, but few can say it off the top of their heads. Usually has to be preceded by "That college Prince William goes to....." 2. Golfing . This uni is really just an interesting pop-culture reference tidbit in the states more than an academic powerhouse.

    6. UCL: 1. .....well, kind of known. As people have said before, it's known under the name of "University of London", a lot of people over here have no idea of the concept that U of L is made up of a lot of colleges/unis. No one thinks of LSE as being LSE (University of London), it's just LSE period. Also the name University College London is very awkward, personally I eventually gave up explaining it to people and called it the "University of London" and they go "ooooh"! Like they knew what I was saying all along! 2. Known primarily for its location 3. For the American students that paid attention in Modern European History class, UCL is the university that gets the most mention . Blame Jeremy Bentham.

    In general, in the US, UK colleges aren't well known at all. And if they are, it's usually either because of a pop-culture reference or we'd vaguely remember it being mentioned in one of our textbooks connected to interesting alumni. In the US being accepted at oxbridge or any of the others is inconceivable, seen almost as an impossibility "how the h*ll'd you manage that?!". Therefore UK unis don't enter our minds often because the consensus is, they don't apply to us. Sorry if some people's beloved unis weren't on the list, but it just means that those unis would very often get a puzzled shrug from the average American student. I assume in the UK you're all more conscious of academic-ranking when hearing about a US university, but you've probably also fallen for the Ivy League trap. Although hardly anyone in the states has a clue what Durham, Warwick, Imperial, etc actually are ; I'm sure less people in the UK have also heard of the U of Chicago, Johns Hopkins University, UC Berkeley, U Michigan, MIT, Williams College, Amherst College, etc.
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    (Original post by Tony)
    That's reasonably fair although Imperial is def. more renound than LSE which has an equal footing with UCL. The top four according to http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/rank-Europe.mht are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and UCL.
    I would put LSE in front of Imperial definately - its alumni have had a far bigger impact on the world. I wouldnt use that ranking as gospel, ive also looked at it and while some of the rankings look quite reasonably having LSE at 400th or so is utter nonsense - incidently that table is made up using scientific data for each university, so an institution such as LSE is obviously going to be at a disadvantage,
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    (Original post by kolyainamerika)
    Well, here are the UK unis that most people where i'm from (the East Coast) are most familiar with. Pardon me if I mention any annoying American Colloqialisms, just got back from the "annoying americanisms" thread.

    1. Oxford : 1. [very large factor] Clinton went there. If we didn't know about it before, we were sure to know about it after the Clinton campaign greatly publicized the fact that he was a Rhodes Scholar. 2. The Rhodes Scholarship, strictly for US students. Very possibly one of the only reasons why Oxford is more recognized in the US than Cambridge. 3. For some reason everyone equates Oxford with boarding school gentry-types or the really genius really old fashioned old-world literature types (think Masterpiece Theater). 4. If you're from an expensive prep school in Massachusetts or New York or any place in New England, you're basically bred to come to this school and usually those are the only people in the US expected to get into this school.
    The Rhodes scholarship is not exclusively for US citizens.

    (Original post by kolyainamerika)
    2.Cambridge: Mostly well known for physics and the sciences. Most people in this area believe that Cambridge is superior academically to Oxford although Oxford holds a lot more cache (not quite sure why).
    Cambridge is correctly *slightly* superior to Oxford academically although the difference is so slight as to be irrelevant.

    (Original post by kolyainamerika)
    3. LSE: 1. Probably because it's a specialist school, it helps a lot reputation wise. Of course the same logic would have applied to IC or SOAS but it doesn't :rolleyes: . 2. Alumni factor or affiliated students factor, notabley John F. Kennedy and Mick Jagger. 3. The name gets thrown around a lot in business circles, LSE is very prestigious in New York City if you'd like to get into business and they have their own little cocktail parties with Oxbridge alum as well (other unis aren't invited. Aint that a b*tch?) 4. The school that desperately tries to be Chicago . U of Chicago's the mecca of Economics in the US, and a lot would argue the world. They beat Harvard in this field hands down and has the most nobel prizes in economics research and more nobel prizes than Oxford and Cambridge.
    No university has more nobel prizes than Cambridge. Where did you get the idea Chicago does?

    (Original post by kolyainamerika)
    5. St. Andrews: 1. Name's recognizeable, but few can say it off the top of their heads. Usually has to be preceded by "That college Prince William goes to....." 2. Golfing . This uni is really just an interesting pop-culture reference tidbit in the states more than an academic powerhouse.
    I wouldnt quite class it as an academic powerhouse, historically its nowhere near Edinburgh+Glasgow.

    (Original post by kolyainamerika)
    In general, in the US, UK colleges aren't well known at all. And if they are, it's usually either because of a pop-culture reference or we'd vaguely remember it being mentioned in one of our textbooks connected to interesting alumni. In the US being accepted at oxbridge or any of the others is inconceivable, seen almost as an impossibility "how the h*ll'd you manage that?!". Therefore UK unis don't enter our minds often because the consensus is, they don't apply to us. Sorry if some people's beloved unis weren't on the list, but it just means that those unis would very often get a puzzled shrug from the average American student. I assume in the UK you're all more conscious of academic-ranking when hearing about a US university, but you've probably also fallen for the Ivy League trap. Although hardly anyone in the states has a clue what Durham, Warwick, Imperial, etc actually are ; I'm sure less people in the UK have also heard of the U of Chicago, Johns Hopkins University, UC Berkeley, U Michigan, MIT, Williams College, Amherst College, etc
    .
    Youre right there. Generally people in the UK are only aware of Harvard and perhaps Yale+Princeton, though obviously on this board youl find many more who have an in depth knowledge of US colleges.
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    (Original post by CalumanGael)
    I would put LSE in front of Imperial definately - its alumni have had a far bigger impact on the world.
    is that actually able to be substantiated? lse has made a large impact in the spheres of economics and politics but equally IC has made a huge impact in the spheres of science, technology, medicine etc. i would argue that whether one can conclude lse has had a larger impact on the world is extremely difficult, nigh impossible. they have had different impacts. remember technology can have just as great an efefct on the world than politics, maybe more!
    gosh i never thought id be standing up for imperial college
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    (Original post by Masonne)
    is that actually able to be substantiated? lse has made a large impact in the spheres of economics and politics but equally IC has made a huge impact in the spheres of science, technology, medicine etc. i would argue that whether one can conclude lse has had a larger impact on the world is extremely difficult, nigh impossible. they have had different impacts. remember technology can have just as great an efefct on the world than politics, maybe more!
    gosh i never thought id be standing up for imperial college
    Fair point, im simply going on the fact that 30 odd heads of state have been LSE grads, not to mention 12(i think?) nobel laureates as well.
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    (Original post by nan Siarich)
    Fair point, im simply going on the fact that 30 odd heads of state have been LSE grads, not to mention 12(i think?) nobel laureates as well.
    yeah thats my point though, scientific inventions and discoveries, medical breakthroughs etc can have just as large an impact on the world as heads of state.

    one could argue the lse has had a greater impact on the world than IC but i think this could only be done using a narrow conceptualistion of what effects the world.

    but anyway, both are great universities!!
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    (Original post by Masonne)
    yeah thats my point though, scientific inventions and discoveries, medical breakthroughs etc can have just as large an impact on the world as heads of state.

    one could argue the lse has had a greater impact on the world than IC but i think this could only be done using a narrow conceptualistion of what effects the world.

    but anyway, both are great universities!!
    Quite right.

    (Original post by Tony)
    That's reasonably fair although Imperial is def. more renound than LSE which has an equal footing with UCL. The top four according to http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/rank-Europe.mht are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and UCL.
    I wouldn't pay much attention to "Tony" - judging my some of his previous posts he's a bit of a ******. For example, he claimed that LSE was "equal" to UCL - LSE, of course, is superior. He also claims that UCL is the "daddy" of the University of London and "nuff said" - clearly indicating his poor breeding.
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    (Original post by Biggles)
    He also claims that UCL is the "daddy" of the University of London and "nuff said" - clearly indicating his poor breeding.
    in a few senses it is tho...not that that means anything. hardly makes it the best uni in the university of london.
 
 
 
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