Cambridge Medicine Students and Applicants
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niyaaaah
of course i still want to do medicine. it's just, as the guy above pointed out, it is unusual that i got straight rejections without interview. i didn't apply to cambridge for medicine, i applied to two bmat unis and two ukcat unis. my bmat was good in section 2 and section 3, section 1 let me down a bit. my ukcat was above average too. not amazingly high but not rejection worthy. my WEx and voluntary work is very strong too. i'm such a failure i know
It is not... of all the applicants in our school within the last three years (that makes around 10 or so) only one of them that I know of has had until now an interview...
Even a girl in a year younger than me has had two rejections already and she has pretty damn high grades... similar to mine...
niyaaaah
of course i still want to do medicine. it's just, as the guy above pointed out, it is unusual that i got straight rejections without interview. i didn't apply to cambridge for medicine, i applied to two bmat unis and two ukcat unis. my bmat was good in section 2 and section 3, section 1 let me down a bit. my ukcat was above average too. not amazingly high but not rejection worthy. my WEx and voluntary work is very strong too. i'm such a failure i know
Straight rejections could be very bad luck, but it does suggest that perhaps there was something about your application. How about your personal statement? If your work experience, voluntary work and grades were all great, then perhaps you just weren't selling yourself enough. Ditto the reference your school/college gave you. Don't think you're failure - there are so many applicants to medicine that invariable some good candidates get overlooked.
You could try asking the universities for feedback, although they may not be able to help, and also your school. Also, some universities have cut-offs and which aren't immediately obvious.
Finally, don't be disheartened! There's plenty of success stories from gap-yearers wanting to do medicine.
Whether you apply or not is obviously up to you, I'll tell you of my experiences which will give you some insight into the level of the applications.
I applied this year with 6A*s, 4As at GCSE at an 86% average in my AS Levels (Maths, further maths, chemistry and biology - UMS were something like 276, 249, 246, 273). I was rejected after interview - my feedback said that the average successful applicant to my college (Caius) had 9A*s at GCSE and a 95%(i think) average at AS. From speaking to applicants for other colleges this standard for accepted applicants seems to be roughly the norm. It is very very tough, by all means apply if you are very confident in your academic ability.
I applied this year with 6A*s, 4As at GCSE at an 86% average in my AS Levels (Maths, further maths, chemistry and biology - UMS were something like 276, 249, 246, 273). I was rejected after interview - my feedback said that the average successful applicant to my college (Caius) had 9A*s at GCSE and a 95%(i think) average at AS. From speaking to applicants for other colleges this standard for accepted applicants seems to be roughly the norm. It is very very tough, by all means apply if you are very confident in your academic ability.
FadedJade
This is for medicine though, where the competition is much tougher.
Yes, i was talking about if the op decided to go with a different subject. My friend got turned down for engineering this year and they said although her theory was excellent they didn't think she was suited to a practical course. Obviously, op only you know what your passion is but perhaps this could be the problem with your application? A lot of medicine is down to luck though as well-not to take away how hard people work to get into it-but competition is so high some people of your standard may have been accepted whereas you haven't. 2 people from my college got offers for medicine at oxbridge this year, 1 of whom i thought would definitely get in 1 who i didn't...
niyaaaah
i am now in a position where i have to take a gap year.
i am a medic failure, rejected from everywhere this year and i've just felt so down about rejections...if the medical schools don't see fit to offer me an interview then perhaps medicine is not for me. i don't know if i will reapply for medicine next year. to get four rejections again next year would really be a slap in the face. academically, i'm great. respectable number of A*s at gcse, nothing less than an A at GCSE. at AS i got straight A's though my average was like 84/5% across all my subjects which i understand isn't that good for cambridge. i am considering doing a few resits in may/june when i finish my a-levels. now i understand cambridge look at UMS and individual module scores in the CAF. will a few B's in some modules look really bad? can i just write down my final module titles and marks in the CAF without highlighting the resits i've taken. i feel i can maintain my A's if i work hard and i'm prepared to but really would i be wasting my time with marks like 480-500/600 or would i need to get something like 540 in every subject?
advice would be appreciated
i am a medic failure, rejected from everywhere this year and i've just felt so down about rejections...if the medical schools don't see fit to offer me an interview then perhaps medicine is not for me. i don't know if i will reapply for medicine next year. to get four rejections again next year would really be a slap in the face. academically, i'm great. respectable number of A*s at gcse, nothing less than an A at GCSE. at AS i got straight A's though my average was like 84/5% across all my subjects which i understand isn't that good for cambridge. i am considering doing a few resits in may/june when i finish my a-levels. now i understand cambridge look at UMS and individual module scores in the CAF. will a few B's in some modules look really bad? can i just write down my final module titles and marks in the CAF without highlighting the resits i've taken. i feel i can maintain my A's if i work hard and i'm prepared to but really would i be wasting my time with marks like 480-500/600 or would i need to get something like 540 in every subject?
advice would be appreciated
Heya mate,
First of all - Chin up. You are not a failure and you are probably just as good or better than a lot of medical applicants with offers.
Second of all - did you really want to do Medicine? The likely answer is yes, but the rejections will be making you doubt yourself. However I reckon you probably did really want to do it so lets not give up on that dream.
Thirdly - Rejections aside, you are in a quality position for next years applications for a number of reasons -
1) You can get some more work experience or preferably even a medically related job like a HCA (this is what I did on my gap year). This gives you so much to talk about at interview and just so much experience with patients and talking to other healthcare professionals. It gives you a great appreciation of what a hospital will be like to work in.
2) You have more time to research uni choices, write your personal statement, prepare for interviews etc.
3) You have the time to earn money for uni and to go abroad or do something crazy if you'd like.
4) Any offers you get would be unconditional
5) You get to ask for feedback on your application so you can avoid making any mistakes/improving on weaker areas of your application this time round.
6) Very few things show admissions tutors grit and determination for a career than re-applying after 4 straight rejections.
If I were you I'd first get straight onto trying to get a HCA job ASAP, you may not start until September, but seriously - start apply for jobs straight away because if your trust is anything like my local one it'll take a lot of time for the Human Resources department to plough through things!
Secondly, the obvious one - knuckle down and get good UMS grades, especially if you want to apply to Cambridge second time round. Definitely make sure you get all A's so you have your choice of every Medical School to apply to.
Thirdly, but most importantly - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not call yourself a failure. I've been through exactly the same thing and it does knock the stuffing out of you. I applied to Oxford, St. Andrews, Bristol and Edinburgh first time round and I have to say I was quietly confident, I guess I wasn't really used to not succeeding at stuff, I had -
10A*'s, 3A's at GCSE, all A's at AS level (UMS around 90%), a good UKCAT (670 I think) and BMAT (21.2)
I got two interviews and four straight rejections.
However I refused to believe that I was inferior - it's easy to but please don't, for your sake, I'm sure you are better than that. It just so happens we are applying for one of the most competitive subjects there is. I'm not saying I should've got a place last year, I have faith in the admissions tutors that there were better people but the gap year I'm on at the moment has given me the advantages (that I listed above) that I think have given me better success this year.
I got my 4A's at A-level, did better in my UKCAT and BMAT, and got 3 offers and an interview (which I didn't go to!), including the Cambridge offer which I've taken.
I really can't encourage you enough to try to get back into gear, get your chin up and sieze the opportunity of this gap year. I didn't plan to take mine but I'm actually so glad I've done it now. The HCA'ing will just be so useful to me as a med student and beyond, and plus I get the chance to bugger off to China for 4 months (in less than 60 hours I might add, argh!).
Hang in there buddy, it does get better after the initial low, I promise you, and it can be done.
When Winston Churchill was invited to take a school assembly after WWII he got up onto the stage and all he said before sitting down again was this,
"Never, ever, ever, ever give up".
Cheers,
--Dave
-42-
Heya mate,
First of all - Chin up. You are not a failure and you are probably just as good or better than a lot of medical applicants with offers.
Second of all - did you really want to do Medicine? The likely answer is yes, but the rejections will be making you doubt yourself. However I reckon you probably did really want to do it so lets not give up on that dream.
Thirdly - Rejections aside, you are in a quality position for next years applications for a number of reasons -
1) You can get some more work experience or preferably even a medically related job like a HCA (this is what I did on my gap year). This gives you so much to talk about at interview and just so much experience with patients and talking to other healthcare professionals. It gives you a great appreciation of what a hospital will be like to work in.
2) You have more time to research uni choices, write your personal statement, prepare for interviews etc.
3) You have the time to earn money for uni and to go abroad or do something crazy if you'd like.
4) Any offers you get would be unconditional
5) You get to ask for feedback on your application so you can avoid making any mistakes/improving on weaker areas of your application this time round.
6) Very few things show admissions tutors grit and determination for a career than re-applying after 4 straight rejections.
If I were you I'd first get straight onto trying to get a HCA job ASAP, you may not start until September, but seriously - start apply for jobs straight away because if your trust is anything like my local one it'll take a lot of time for the Human Resources department to plough through things!
Secondly, the obvious one - knuckle down and get good UMS grades, especially if you want to apply to Cambridge second time round. Definitely make sure you get all A's so you have your choice of every Medical School to apply to.
Thirdly, but most importantly - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not call yourself a failure. I've been through exactly the same thing and it does knock the stuffing out of you. I applied to Oxford, St. Andrews, Bristol and Edinburgh first time round and I have to say I was quietly confident, I guess I wasn't really used to not succeeding at stuff, I had -
10A*'s, 3A's at GCSE, all A's at AS level (UMS around 90%), a good UKCAT (670 I think) and BMAT (21.2)
I got two interviews and four straight rejections.
However I refused to believe that I was inferior - it's easy to but please don't, for your sake, I'm sure you are better than that. It just so happens we are applying for one of the most competitive subjects there is. I'm not saying I should've got a place last year, I have faith in the admissions tutors that there were better people but the gap year I'm on at the moment has given me the advantages (that I listed above) that I think have given me better success this year.
I got my 4A's at A-level, did better in my UKCAT and BMAT, and got 3 offers and an interview (which I didn't go to!), including the Cambridge offer which I've taken.
I really can't encourage you enough to try to get back into gear, get your chin up and sieze the opportunity of this gap year. I didn't plan to take mine but I'm actually so glad I've done it now. The HCA'ing will just be so useful to me as a med student and beyond, and plus I get the chance to bugger off to China for 4 months (in less than 60 hours I might add, argh!).
Hang in there buddy, it does get better after the initial low, I promise you, and it can be done.
When Winston Churchill was invited to take a school assembly after WWII he got up onto the stage and all he said before sitting down again was this,
"Never, ever, ever, ever give up".
Cheers,
--Dave
First of all - Chin up. You are not a failure and you are probably just as good or better than a lot of medical applicants with offers.
Second of all - did you really want to do Medicine? The likely answer is yes, but the rejections will be making you doubt yourself. However I reckon you probably did really want to do it so lets not give up on that dream.
Thirdly - Rejections aside, you are in a quality position for next years applications for a number of reasons -
1) You can get some more work experience or preferably even a medically related job like a HCA (this is what I did on my gap year). This gives you so much to talk about at interview and just so much experience with patients and talking to other healthcare professionals. It gives you a great appreciation of what a hospital will be like to work in.
2) You have more time to research uni choices, write your personal statement, prepare for interviews etc.
3) You have the time to earn money for uni and to go abroad or do something crazy if you'd like.
4) Any offers you get would be unconditional
5) You get to ask for feedback on your application so you can avoid making any mistakes/improving on weaker areas of your application this time round.
6) Very few things show admissions tutors grit and determination for a career than re-applying after 4 straight rejections.
If I were you I'd first get straight onto trying to get a HCA job ASAP, you may not start until September, but seriously - start apply for jobs straight away because if your trust is anything like my local one it'll take a lot of time for the Human Resources department to plough through things!
Secondly, the obvious one - knuckle down and get good UMS grades, especially if you want to apply to Cambridge second time round. Definitely make sure you get all A's so you have your choice of every Medical School to apply to.
Thirdly, but most importantly - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not call yourself a failure. I've been through exactly the same thing and it does knock the stuffing out of you. I applied to Oxford, St. Andrews, Bristol and Edinburgh first time round and I have to say I was quietly confident, I guess I wasn't really used to not succeeding at stuff, I had -
10A*'s, 3A's at GCSE, all A's at AS level (UMS around 90%), a good UKCAT (670 I think) and BMAT (21.2)
I got two interviews and four straight rejections.
However I refused to believe that I was inferior - it's easy to but please don't, for your sake, I'm sure you are better than that. It just so happens we are applying for one of the most competitive subjects there is. I'm not saying I should've got a place last year, I have faith in the admissions tutors that there were better people but the gap year I'm on at the moment has given me the advantages (that I listed above) that I think have given me better success this year.
I got my 4A's at A-level, did better in my UKCAT and BMAT, and got 3 offers and an interview (which I didn't go to!), including the Cambridge offer which I've taken.
I really can't encourage you enough to try to get back into gear, get your chin up and sieze the opportunity of this gap year. I didn't plan to take mine but I'm actually so glad I've done it now. The HCA'ing will just be so useful to me as a med student and beyond, and plus I get the chance to bugger off to China for 4 months (in less than 60 hours I might add, argh!).
Hang in there buddy, it does get better after the initial low, I promise you, and it can be done.
When Winston Churchill was invited to take a school assembly after WWII he got up onto the stage and all he said before sitting down again was this,
"Never, ever, ever, ever give up".
Cheers,
--Dave
1) i will get onto applying for a HCA role at my local hospitals. i'll get onto that real soon. i think i'll learn a lot about myself by taking a position...i just hope i don't get rejected from that too haha!
2) my choices this year were based on how i felt i would perform in the bmat and how i did in the ukcat. now it's got to the point where i'd be happy getting into ANY med school. i thought i had done my research but it looks like i'll have to consider my choices for next year. perhaps choosing the london ones wasn't a great choice.
3) yeah, i'm considering medical camps and projects abroad. again, feels like something i will learn a lot from, especially about myself too.
4) true, but conditional on CRB and health checks. i haven't started my hep B doses, when should i be getting that done? since getting rejected, i haven't really seen the point in going to the GP and be like "hi, i need to get this done for med school" and they'll be like "oh right, which one?" and i'll be like "well, for next year providing i get a place after a gap year.." i guarantee they'll refuse it somehow.
5) i've asked for feedback from everwhere and they'll all made a point of how competitive it was and how strong applicants were given first interview and selected first. i didn't get one bit of constructive criticism on my application whatsoever so i don't know what to improve.
6) i really hope so. my form tutor thinks i should consider a plan B and do something else which really upset me seeing how if i take a gap year, i'll need him to give me the reference. i just feel so sad and upset about everything. i'd even go as far as to admit to feeling bitter towards my friends at school with offers and interviews, especially when they come to me for advice about interviews and i have to put on a brave face and help them. no one would spare their time with me. it's just dawned on me that everyone will be going to uni and i'll be the last one behind. i know i won't be the only applicant but i bet i'll feel lonely next year.
my A's at AS were ranging from 250-260, they weren't spectacular. i'm quite worried for two of them tbh. my jan exams went okay, though considering i had two rejections at that point, i think that affected my performance to some extent when just getting to a hard question and thinking to myself "oh what's the point? it's not as if i have an offer to meet? it's not as if grades are worth anything" yet they clearly are since i won't get in next year if i don't get the grades this summer. it's so hard motivating myself to just work, work, work and get the grades. i don't feel happy at all and am just bottling everything up. i'm accepting everything and trying to get on with school work, i just don't have a clue right now what will happen now that my grades are in question too.
Which places did you apply to? If you really want to do medicine still it would probably be best to do a load of volunteering work this year. If you could get onto a scheme out in Africa for a couple of months as well that would look amazing on your application. Try applying for 2 or 3 stronger Unis and then 1 or 2 less well ragarded ones as this can help your chances. Also remember that different Unis have completely different criteria when selecting candidates for medicine, look around to see which ones suit your profile best. With decent work experience and those grades I honestly can't believe you didn't even get a single interview, 'tis rediculous tbh. And remember you can always put a non medical 5th choice just in case. At the end of the day there are also post grad schemes etc.
I wouldn't say you should rule out Cambridge with those modules, especially if you do better at A2. Then again, it does put you at a slight disadvantage but if you can do really well at interview then you never know. Just make sure you make the most of this gap year and remember, you're by no means the only one without a place for medicine. Don't get too down!
phil.
I wouldn't say you should rule out Cambridge with those modules, especially if you do better at A2. Then again, it does put you at a slight disadvantage but if you can do really well at interview then you never know. Just make sure you make the most of this gap year and remember, you're by no means the only one without a place for medicine. Don't get too down!
phil.
I'm not completely familiar with all the grades, but as far as I understand your grades certainly aren't bad, are they? If you didn't get any interviews, my best guess is that your personal statement and/or reference and/or bmat/ukcat score really wasn't good. You can work on a better personal statement and you can pick a different teacher for a reference, so those two should not be a problem next year. I think the bmat and ukcat are harder to improve on because they are designed to test aptitude rather than knowledge. Still, I'd definitely say that more practicing with sample questions would've significantly upped my bmat section 2 score (I don't know about the ukcat, didn't take it).
If I were you, I'd spend my gap year doing voluntary work at a hospital somewhere in, what, South America or so? Any place you'd like to go to, really, there are so many opportunities. I know someone who did that, though for totally different reasons, and from what she told me it's absolutely glorious. It'll be a HUGE plus for your personal statement and at your interviews, that's for sure, but apart from that, it'll also be a fantastic thing to do in itself.
I think nothing quite shows determination like reapplying after 4 rejections, so that's at least one extra plus.
I certainly wouldn't rule out medicine if you want to do it that badly. Do try not to drown in your own misery though - I understand all of this sucks and you'd much rather just forget about it, but, you know, life goes on. If you make it work, a gap year can be one of the best experiences you'll ever have.
(One tiny thing: I wouldn't be too fixed on Oxbridge alone; as cool and awesome as it is, there are more important things in life. Also, perhaps put biological sciences, chemistry or something like that as your fifth choice? There are graduate programs... )
If I were you, I'd spend my gap year doing voluntary work at a hospital somewhere in, what, South America or so? Any place you'd like to go to, really, there are so many opportunities.
I know someone who did that, though for totally different reasons, and from what she told me it's absolutely glorious. It'll be a HUGE plus for your personal statement and at your interviews, that's for sure, but apart from that, it'll also be a fantastic thing to do in itself. I think nothing quite shows determination like reapplying after 4 rejections, so that's at least one extra plus.
I certainly wouldn't rule out medicine if you want to do it that badly. Do try not to drown in your own misery though - I understand all of this sucks and you'd much rather just forget about it, but, you know, life goes on. If you make it work, a gap year can be one of the best experiences you'll ever have.(One tiny thing: I wouldn't be too fixed on Oxbridge alone; as cool and awesome as it is, there are more important things in life. Also, perhaps put biological sciences, chemistry or something like that as your fifth choice? There are graduate programs... )
thanks for your posts.
okay i've decided that i have to stick with medicine. i'd be fooling myself into a lapse of fake happiness and smiles if i go for something else and i'd rather take a year out and try again rather than spend three years of my life doing some degree i'm not remotely interested in. it has been on my mind all day. i was watching a documentary on channel four earlier on about the conjoined twins that were separated (faith and hope) and it touched my heart. despite their deaths, the whole documentary highlighted just how much i want to make an impact on peoples' lives, individuals who have their own unique story, health problems and issues than need resolving...i want to be there, i want to be in some shape, way or form connected with these people and i am ashamed to have even thought for a second about doing something else. i know i want this. i've moped around for such a long time feeling sorry for me. it is unusual for someone to be in my position without receiving an interview. my friends have said it. my teachers will say it when i go back to school. i now have to try and persuade them to support my reapplication next year. i honestly don't think my personal statement or reference was that bad, certainly positive, well at least that was the general consentus after showing pretty much everyone i trusted with my ps...perhaps it was silly for me to apply to two bmat unis yet my admissions scores totally were above average. i will have to somehow achieve consistent individual scores all round rather than focus on getting a good total. i'd be lying if was to say i wasn't petrified. i am very, very, very scared. i wasted so much time worrying about my application and i feel i'm falling behind with my work.
okay i've decided that i have to stick with medicine. i'd be fooling myself into a lapse of fake happiness and smiles if i go for something else and i'd rather take a year out and try again rather than spend three years of my life doing some degree i'm not remotely interested in. it has been on my mind all day. i was watching a documentary on channel four earlier on about the conjoined twins that were separated (faith and hope) and it touched my heart. despite their deaths, the whole documentary highlighted just how much i want to make an impact on peoples' lives, individuals who have their own unique story, health problems and issues than need resolving...i want to be there, i want to be in some shape, way or form connected with these people and i am ashamed to have even thought for a second about doing something else. i know i want this. i've moped around for such a long time feeling sorry for me. it is unusual for someone to be in my position without receiving an interview. my friends have said it. my teachers will say it when i go back to school. i now have to try and persuade them to support my reapplication next year. i honestly don't think my personal statement or reference was that bad, certainly positive, well at least that was the general consentus after showing pretty much everyone i trusted with my ps...perhaps it was silly for me to apply to two bmat unis yet my admissions scores totally were above average. i will have to somehow achieve consistent individual scores all round rather than focus on getting a good total. i'd be lying if was to say i wasn't petrified. i am very, very, very scared. i wasted so much time worrying about my application and i feel i'm falling behind with my work.
I want to ask....
What is the MOST important thing they look for in the application for medicine at Cambridge? I know its all important but what do you think is the make it or break it part? I've heard it is BMAT. If it is, then what are the average scores of successful applicants? Are they around 6.5, 6.5 and 9.0? I am overseas student, what scores do I need to ensure that I have a good chance of being admitted?
What is the MOST important thing they look for in the application for medicine at Cambridge? I know its all important but what do you think is the make it or break it part? I've heard it is BMAT. If it is, then what are the average scores of successful applicants? Are they around 6.5, 6.5 and 9.0? I am overseas student, what scores do I need to ensure that I have a good chance of being admitted?
PROWESS
I want to ask....
What is the MOST important thing they look for in the application for medicine at Cambridge? I know its all important but what do you think is the make it or break it part? I've heard it is BMAT. If it is, then what are the average scores of successful applicants? Are they around 6.5, 6.5 and 9.0? I am overseas student, what scores do I need to ensure that I have a good chance of being admitted?
What is the MOST important thing they look for in the application for medicine at Cambridge? I know its all important but what do you think is the make it or break it part? I've heard it is BMAT. If it is, then what are the average scores of successful applicants? Are they around 6.5, 6.5 and 9.0? I am overseas student, what scores do I need to ensure that I have a good chance of being admitted?
Look at the post right above you buddy!
Cheers,
--Dave
*Liana*
And I have since discovered someone with a double first/v high marks and was rejected after interview this year!
hmmmmmmmmmm are you just making some of this up lol
my DoS said that we've never had someone rejected with two good firsts (ie. top 50 or so both times) from Oxford
they may not have got their first choice college, but they were always taken by the universitiy.
on a different issue, i think im going to do MOD next year
Vazzyb
hmmmmmmmmmm are you just making some of this up lol
my DoS said that we've never had someone rejected with two good firsts (ie. top 50 or so both times) from Oxford
they may not have got their first choice college, but they were always taken by the universitiy.
on a different issue, i think im going to do MOD next year
my DoS said that we've never had someone rejected with two good firsts (ie. top 50 or so both times) from Oxford
they may not have got their first choice college, but they were always taken by the universitiy.
on a different issue, i think im going to do MOD next year
Not making it up, unfortunately.
Vazzyb
well there must be some currently unmentioned issues going on lol
-internationals
-failed 2nd MB
-had literally 0 excs or medical interests/activities
-internationals
-failed 2nd MB
-had literally 0 excs or medical interests/activities
Being international isn't going to have any impact on where you go for clinicals, as long as you've already been admitted under the 7.5% quota (which all the international pre-clinical students here would have been).
And a bit sad, quite a few people I know didn't get their first choice.
inginging
are extracurriculars needed for clinical school applications or for any part of our future medical career for that matter?
also, does anyone know where i'd be able to obtain past year steeplechase papers? i've heard that there are student made ones somewhere out there.
also, does anyone know where i'd be able to obtain past year steeplechase papers? i've heard that there are student made ones somewhere out there.
yes
and
no
you can't get "steeplechase papers" - how do you think they're be formatted? - come with 24 high-quality 3D rotatable photographs attached to them (from the actual exam) ?
the easiest thing to do is to get McMinns, get any other atlas you have, and just cover up the labels. then try naming all that you can. you also have so many mock steeplechases! ask your supervisor what is commonly asked!
inginging
are extracurriculars needed for clinical school applications or for any part of our future medical career for that matter?
also, does anyone know where i'd be able to obtain past year steeplechase papers? i've heard that there are student made ones somewhere out there.
also, does anyone know where i'd be able to obtain past year steeplechase papers? i've heard that there are student made ones somewhere out there.
There are a few lines on the clinical school application form for you to mention academic prizes, extracurricular activities, and work experience/etc. I have no idea how much they count towards the application, though.
Past year steeplechase papers - not that I know of, although I do know people who actually memorised questions from the mock steeplechases, but at any rate, those probably aren't going to be too helpful. Best is to just cover up labels on photographs and keep trying to name them, I found the dissection manual pretty helpful for that actually because it has just what you need to know and not all the extra detail with extra labels that you get in McMinn's or Netter's.
inginging
also, does anyone know where i'd be able to obtain past year steeplechase papers? i've heard that there are student made ones somewhere out there.
As others have said, 'papers' would be fairly impossible. Using McMinn's and testing yourself on the labels is useful (or it was until I started relying far too much on the fact that I knew the labels were in alphabetical order...) and I know a lot of people used flashcards. I thought flashcards were really good as you only get five or so labels per picture instead of 35. The Gray's ones are diagrams and have lots of information on the backs, I got the only photographic ones available (Rohen's I think) and then annotated the backs myself.
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