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Jeremy Corbyn plans to scrap tuition fees - is he right?

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Original post by felamaslen
Could scrap them for high value degrees from real universities, but I don't see why doctors and engineers (and all working people) should fund idiots to do joke subjects at joke unis.

If you want to ruin your academic career, don't make me pay for it too.

Wherever possible, government funding should go on things which have a return on investment, or at least break even. I don't see how paying someone to bolster their own ego with a worthless degree will provide any return on investment.

Also, I don't see why rich people should have their degrees paid for by the tax of low(er) earners.


You already are funding them under the current system, if someone doesn't earn enough money to pay it back then who do you think is paying for it?
Original post by Jooooshy
Do you have any sources?


You were not aware that this was already a massive problem for the UK?

Recent Government figures suggest that graduates contribute to the UK economy almost 10 times what it costs the state to educate them, in turn bringing in £180,000 more to the economy than those with A-levels over their working life.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11435529/Britains-brightest-leaving-in-brain-drain-and-replaced-with-low-skilled-migrants.html

One in ten of Britain’s best workers have been lured from the UK in a brain drain and been replaced by low skilled migrants, research has found.The country’s most highly skilled workers are emigrating because they can earn more money and enjoy better standards of living overseas, according to University College London.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10995371/Thousands-of-doctors-planning-to-leave-NHS-to-work-abroad.html

Data from the General Medical Council shows there has been a 20 per cent increase in the last five years in doctors applying for a certificate of good standing to allow them to register to practice abroad.Recruitment specialists said they were mostly heading to Australia, New Zealand and Canada.One said that a GP in Australia could work fewer hours and earn more than in the UK.In 2009 there were 3,914 certificates granted, compared to 4,741 last year, according to the figures obtained by Pulse magazine.


Putting people who are already leaving in large amounts in massive debt, is obviously going to give them even more incentive to leave.
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Original post by Jooooshy
No, do you have any sources to back up the claim?


The sources are in the post you just responded to. Stop trolling.

It was also general knowledge that the UK suffers from brain drain, so you were simply asking me for something you could easily google.
Original post by Mark8346
Putting people who are already leaving in large amounts in massive debt, is obviously going to give them even more incentive to leave.


Of all your sources, which ones link graduates leaving with tuition fees?
Original post by Mark8346
The sources are in the post you just responded to. Stop trolling.


Yeah, sorry, for a moment I thought the quotes were responses to other people.
At the moment I think it could end a lot of debt, cause let's face it, I'm not gonna be earning over 21,000 a year whilst working in child care - which is what I want to do. So that's 17,000 in debt done. (I'm with OU) if a majority of students are the same, consider the amount of debt that is raking up at one individual university.
Maybe they could introduce lower fees, or consider a way to fund them similar to A levels?
i advocate a small graduate tax which ends after 30 years , making uni free at the point of entry. Have you noticed Universities try to sell you there degree programes?, even if that degree is somewhat pointless. They are a business. And it is a bloated mess. Students are getting shafted with tuition fees. Even if they get rid of them, you will have maintenance loans.
Original post by Jooooshy
Of all your sources, which ones link graduates leaving with tuition fees?


Is it entirely unreasonable to believe that a group that already leaves in large amounts will be more likely to leave to escape having to pay back such a large loan over the course of their life? It simply adds more incentive.

Original post by SuperWolfPaws
i advocate a small graduate tax which ends after 30 years.


1) The extra money that graduates bring in is already larger than the cost of their training.
2) This will also encourage them to leave.

I'm sure that Australia appreciates it though, they have been poaching educated people from the UK for a long time - and the government has always been incapable of handling it.
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Original post by Kirsty_insanity
consider the amount of debt that is raking up at one individual university.


The university doesn't issue the student loan..
Yes, but to do that, you'd have to reduce the number of people going to university. We do not have an unlimited supply of cash in this country's purse to fund everyone's desire to study Fashion Management at uni.
Original post by Goods
The expansion of numbers came with the introduction and increase in fees. Your counter argument is therefore flawed because the system is only now very different due to their introduction.

Personally studying an academic subject at university I too disagree with how degree's are becoming increasingly devalued.


Actually the expansion came first and then the model was deemed unsustaininable

And the grade inflation and devaluation at universities is a symptom of our culture and an independent issue.
Original post by SuperWolfPaws
i advocate a small graduate tax which ends after 30 years , making uni free at the point of entry.


So you advocate the current system, pretty much...
Original post by jacktrex
You already are funding them under the current system, if someone doesn't earn enough money to pay it back then who do you think is paying for it?


True, but we're hardly going to reintroduce debtors prisons now, are we.
Original post by Jammy Duel
So you advocate the current system, pretty much...


not really because you only pay after graduation, if you don't graduate you don't pay.
Original post by SuperWolfPaws
not really because you only pay after graduation, if you don't graduate you don't pay.


Hence the pretty much...
Barely anybody gets kicked out of uni these days, looks too bad in the stats.
Original post by Jooooshy
The university doesn't issue the student loan..


I was merely using university as a reference. Per university, how much debt is racked up every year? I know the universities don't deal with it...
Or, encourage people to do their degree through OU or online. Reduces loans and encourages people to go out and get jobs at the same time as doing it as there's no government money to fall back on.
Original post by Plagioclase
How on earth do you justify the statement "tuition fees aid social mobility"? Students who don't come from wealthy backgrounds are going to leave university with over £50k debt in many cases, having to continue repayments for the rest of their working lives (in the case of 75% of students). Wealthy students may not even have to take out loans in the first place. Tuition fees do not aid social mobility, they do the literal opposite.


Because since universities in the UK have charged tuition fees they have been able to take on more students and the removal of the cap on places that has come with the £9000 fees has benefited poorer students the most. Under the grant system only a few students went to university and most were from well off backgrounds as poorer students loose out when its harder to get a place.
Scrapping tuition fees only means taxpayers have to pay- a university doesn't pay for itself. And personaly as a graduate myself I think its only right I pay for the education I recieve when I'm able to.

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